Confused about LOT

Hi!

Bib: So do you mean that people with a low lot, lets say 6-7 can get gains from ligstretching only if they hang with enough weights???

I think i have a lot of 7 and have gaved up on hanging just because of the lot-theory and because of a low lot - says you have no inner penis to stretch out? Then why try to get that no existing penis out???

What i mean is?: Is there still a chance to gain length from ligstretching, even if i have a lot of 7 if i just hang enough to get past my breakpoint???

BS,

>Bib: So do you mean that people with a low lot, lets say 6-7 can get gains from ligstretching only if they hang with enough weights???<

No, we have a mixup here. If a guy has an LOT of 6-7, he needs to be working on tunica stretch at the upper angles. From SO up to OTS. Also, he can hang OTL, do DLD twists, and fulcrum hanging to get tunica gains. Further, there is a little anecdotal eveidence that with this regimen, his LOT might rise, giving the opportunity for easier lig gains at a later date.

>I think i have a lot of 7 and have gaved up on hanging just because of the lot-theory and because of a low lot - says you have no inner penis to stretch out? Then why try to get that no existing penis out???<

No, don’t do that. Go for the upper angles.

>What i mean is?: Is there still a chance to gain length from ligstretching, even if i have a lot of 7 if i just hang enough to get past my breakpoint???<

It is not a question of the breakpoint for the ligs. It is a question of whether there is any potential for gains within the ligs. The theory is, there is not, at a very low LOT. But when you work the upper angles, stretching or growing the tunica, you can get gains, and possibly develop some potential for gains through lig stretch.

Bigger

So re-evaluation of LOT is going to be important periodically throughout the program, right? If this is right then someone who at one time would not benefit from a certain exercise may at a later date. Is this what you mean Bib?

DLD the worm eater,

>So re-evaluation of LOT is going to be important periodically throughout the program, right? If this is right then someone who at one time would not benefit from a certain exercise may at a later date. Is this what you mean Bib?<

The experiment results should give us some information about this.

SS4

DLD,

I believe it was hobby who first posted this sub-theory. At the time, just thinking a little about it, I did not think it would pan out. But a couple guys have reported raising their LOTs.

Anytime this might happen, it is obvious that there would be a developed potential for gains from lig stretch. Essentially, pull it up, then out.

>So re-evaluation of LOT is going to be important periodically throughout the program, right?<

Right.

>If this is right then someone who at one time would not benefit from a certain exercise may at a later date. Is this what you mean Bib?<

That is the sub-theory.

Bigger

lol I’ll never live this down will I?

I am excited about the experiement SS4Jelq. I think, perhaps, a monthly re-evaluation of one LOT may be the key to determining which exercise that user should do for that set period. This could mean a monthly, maybe even weekly change in exercise to maximize gains.

DLD,

>lol I’ll never live this down will I?<

Not in the near future.

>I am excited about the experiement SS4Jelq.<

Me too, I cant wait untill all the first month results are in. You should see the spreadsheet I made. It has a fantastic colour scheme.

>I think, perhaps, a monthly re-evaluation of one LOT may be the key to determining which exercise that user should do for that set period. This could mean a monthly, maybe even weekly change in exercise to maximize gains.<

I cant see a change in LOT happening unless some actual stretching (ie, lenghtening) has been done. I think a change in LOT would follow an increase in FSL, whether temporary or not.

SS4

I wish we had this data earlier. I would love to have known what had effected some of my gains throughout my program in greater detail. I was at 9.5” for a while this was right about the time I developed the DLD Blaster. I remember I had to take a break for about 1 month because of a cut I had on my penis. Anyway, when I came back I really started to do some serious Blasting straight out and I made incredible gains to 11”. Since the 11” point I have been Blasting a little different then I did up to 11” and I continue to gain. The biggest difference in the workout is I Blast at extremely high angles with an “A-Stretch” and then I do Blast at extremely low angles to the left and right. It seems I have been adjusting my angles as I gain. I have not done this on purpose, it just happened that way. Now I am so interested in how all of this will fit into Bib’s theory and your new experiment. I am kinda just throwing this out there in hopes you or Bib will help me make some sense of it.

DLD,

>The biggest difference in the workout is I Blast at extremely high angles with an “A-Stretch” and then I do Blast at extremely low angles to the left and right. It seems I have been adjusting my angles as I gain.<

Do you mean in the same workout? So what you suggest is that, you blast and stretch upwards, temporarily stretching your tunica, and your FSL increases, say (random number) 1/4 inch. Then you move on to downward angles, and since your tunica is lengthened, your ligs are tighter, which means they have some potential for lengthening.

Effectively, your ligs could stretch from this workout, and if you saw another increase in FSL, you would then go back to upper angles.

Is this what you mean DLD? Using tunica work and LOT testing to find out when to switch to lig work?

I have measured LOT during hanging workouts, and I found no change in LOT. Maybe I had no temorary gains in FSL when I checked.

I hope we are on the same page here.
SS4

PS Should this thread be split, since it has gone off on one?

Yes this is exactly right. I split my Blasting routine in half. Half is dedicated to extreme upward A-Stretch Angles and the second half is extreme lower left and right angles.

AGREED

Nice split SS4

DLD,

>Yes this is exactly right. I split my Blasting routine in half. Half is dedicated to extreme upward A-Stretch Angles and the second half is extreme lower left and right angles. <

Do you feel that you got some gains from lig stretching and some gains from tunica stretching then? I have two thoughts about this method:

1. When you stretch as you describe above, your LOT will dynamically change through a workout when you make progress, so it would make more sense to change the angle when temporary LOT changes occur.

OR

2. Ignore temporary changes in LOT, because although lig stretching is easier than tunica stretching, it could still take months of lig stretching to gain. So there will be little work done on your ligs even if your LOT did raise, and since you had to have made some progress with upward stretching for LOT to change, you might as well carry on with this and ride the fatigue/work that you have already done.

If you noticed a change in LOT through a workout, would you switch angles? I am thinking option 2, just carry on with the work you have already done.

What you think?

SS4

This is the way I have been looking at it. Initially I wanted to create a routine that would change weekly (5 on 2 off) Depending on LOT values at the close of each week during the rest period I would make adjustments to the following weeks routine. After my morning Blasting period today I have taken note that my pull-back changes throughout my routine. Very Strong as certain angles after different exercise angles and visa versa. These changes kept me changing angles continuously throughout my workout. If this is the case then the perfect Blasting routine would entail changes throughout any one workout. I think paying very close attention to the changes in tug-back throughout a Blasting routine, noting the progression of angle change may be the best use of this information. A user could theoretically set up a stretching routine that would have changes throughout the workout that addressed the changes in LOT. These changes would be applying different angle to accommodate any one users LOT changes.

I also want to say since I do stretch the tunica and Ligs in the same session I am a bit worried about opinion on this. I keep hearing that this it not good. Why?

DLD,

>I also want to say since I do stretch the tunica and Ligs in the same session I am a bit worried about opinion on this. I keep hearing that this it not good. Why?<

There is no anatomical or mechanical reason why not, just the good old divide and conquer principle.

We would all love to have your gain rate, you are so lucky, but the fact remains that for some of us it takes months or maybe even years of hitting the same angle to make gains. These tissues are tough, and if you split work between tunica and ligs in the same workout, it would take twice as long to break the first limiting factor in each case.

SS4

So, why not do 2 sessions per day? Most people seem to work up to that anyway.