Correlating Size with Gains

Hey guys,
My hypothesis is that following the rubber band theory, bigger guys gain harder in comparison to smaller guys. If the rubber band theory holds true, then a big rubber band(penis) is harder to gain with because it has more material and therefore resistance, then a smaller one which will deform easier. Try this with a rubber band.

I have yet to link this to Bib’s Lot Theory, but after reviewing some research data, and hopefully getting some responses, I may be able to correlate a pattern. Anyways the end result I am hoping for is to see if any, that size has any relationship to gains, and if there is, what is the better course of action.

This is based on the fact that gains come thru 2 factors, intensity and time.
Intensity will be classified as high or low, depending on time spent and how hard(relatively) one is working. Time is classified on rest breaks, whether the individual is taking frequent rest days or no rest days. I hope to validate these 4 upcoming claims.
1) High Intensity, No Rest
2) Low Intensity, No Rest
3) High Intensity, Frequent Rest
4) Low Intensity, Frequent Rest

Examples are: 1 would be a shock routine. 2 is Constant Force. 3 is Heal/Growth. 4 is ‘Less is More’. These seem to be the main ways to gain that many gainers have chosen. Which ones they have picked/tried depends on the routine.

I have PMed several people already, about there gains, and I hope to have more input from you guys about this. You don’t have to be a big gainer, all I ask is that over a certain period of time which you have gained, preferably (but not limited too) is your first gain period. If you guys have time, please post or PM me.

The applications of this is that if true, people can choose the best method for trial and error depending on their goals. For example, person A wants to gain length. He is a first timer, below average size. He would then use method 2. Or, if a Vet is looking to gain girth after a long break, he could use 3.

The classification of exercises(if applicable) and the individuals I will post at a later time, as I’m sure they have other things to do, and classifying is a grey area. I also have several things to currently do, so it may be a while till I get back to you guys.

So guys, feel free to chip in, pick apart my theory, post info etc etc. If I’m on to something, well that’s good. If this is a crapshoot, well at least I’m trying.

JumboDog,

My original gains, which were impressive and made in a relatively short period of time, (five months, not the norm), were made with 1) high intensity, no rest days. I’ve been at it a year now, and I still prefer long, high intensity daily sessions, but with longer break periods—days to weeks.

HH

I wonder if it would do a newbie any good on the newbie routine to go everyday instead of the 2 on 1 off pattern. Then rest after a month? Or after 3 months? Anyone have any thoughts?

:whatever:

Electron,

Listen to your body. Start out slowly and build up in intensity and duration so that you don’t injure yourself. That’s my advice.

What do the Mods have to say?

HH

I’m looking forward to seeing how this turns out. I’d love to see how hard the good gainers’ routines are.

Whats also important is finding out if they are still gaining with the same intensity and rest. I am experimenting right now with trying all 4 in different cycles, almost like a constant shock to trigger more growth.

I don’t think there’s any “formula” in terms of initial starting size and what the trainee is looking for (length, girth, etc.). I think we’re all different and, furthermore, how does one qualify “intense” or “mild”? We all have different levels of strength as well as tolerances to pain/discomfort. So, upon further thought, these terms can become almost meaningless.

I tend to believe that length is best gained by training daily; girth, every other day. Furthermore, I don’t see the value of beating your skull against the wall during plateaus - take a break! Allow deconditioning to set in. Then begin again.

In fact, I believe that may be the only “formula” that I’d have faith in: daily length work, every other day for girth - and implementing periodic breaks (cold turkey) for deconditioning.

This approach certainly will not allow you to gain “infinitely,” but I believe that you’ll go further than by stubbornly spinning your wheels. Also, I’ve lost faith in “shock workouts” for PE (they can serve a purpose in weight training). I think this approach greatly increases your risks of injury. Furthermore, going too intense will give you a STRONGER, not longer, cock. You don’t want to turn those tissues into kevlar, or you won’t make any gains.

What I’m doing now is just jelqing in short sessions throughout the day, aiming primarily for girth. There was a thread a few months ago where people talked about this it worked well for them. I don’t remember anyone saying that they didn’t gain with it. I’ve been at it for a couple weeks now. Have I gained anything? No. Did I gain anything with the newbie routine? No. Am I, however, confident in its efficacy? Yes. Do I enjoy typing questions and answering them myself? Yes. Has anyone else gained well jelqing in short sessions throughout the day?

Wad, I’m not looking as a magic formula per say, but the best educated guess to the trial and error process. As we all know, PE is all trial and error, I’m simply trying to see what would potentially be more direct to one’s goals,
that is if the evidence holds up. You are right when you say length daily, girth every other day, and throw in breaks as well. But we also know that there have been people out there who have gained length using girth routines and vice versa.

And with respect to intensity in a workout, if we break it into 2 categories, which are if you’re feeling it, or not feeling it, it should be easier to categorize. I’ve done 1 hour workouts before and not felt fatigue in my ligs
where else 15 mins on a different one I could feel throughout the week. There will be discrepancies with variation to each person, of course, but generally if he is more on the fatigued side or if he is not.

Dmitri, you should talk to Alice Hooper. I believe he is doing quite well with only wet jelqs.

Wadzilla, that Avatar is great! :thumbs:

Prelim results so far.
These are from half of the group of gainers that I polled.
Rest Days :
Rest days prove the length theory so far about not taking much or no time off as these 8 guys do moderate to no rest. eg. 5on 2off 6on 1off etc.
Intensity:
Among those who started out small, which I classified as less then 5.5 BPEL,
low or high intensity both worked for them.
For those that started out big, or moderate which I classified as bigger then 6.5 and 5.5-6.5 respectively, high intensity worked from them. Exception was secjay, who used low intensity and gained.

Results:
So far the evidence here doesn’t say anything really, other than backing up the theory of constant force (aka little rest) produces gains. I’m still waiting for responses and doing further research into this so I’ll keep you guys updated. I also have to find out these guys LOT.

Interesting correlation so far though is that those who used high intensity routines that started out small plateaued quite noticeably but the gains came fast, while those who were small but used low intensity got slow constant gains.
The reverse is somewhat the same with the big guys, where the ones who used low intensity plateaued noticeably, while the high intensity routine big guys gained constantly.
Like I said, nothing too conclusive at this point as there are many holes still, and the data isn’t fully broken down. But this correlation could be due to newbie gains based off the theory that I started this thread with.

For anyone still following this, I just found the PE database and realized I could draw on a much larger sample size than I previously thought. Not all info is there for the individuals who posted, but this makes things a lot easier. I’ll probably have in depth results in about Christmas time, if I increase sample size and correlate LOT to gains.

It sounds to me like there might be a case for ramping up intensity levels slowly over time, no matter what size you are.

Reading between the lines it sounds like small guys (less tissue) are more successful using low intensity and higher intensity caused cessastion of gains (tissues got much tougher). I suspect it is not actually a converse correlation for larger guys, as their cessastion of gains with low intensity may just be because they no longer have enough intensity to stimulate growth.

What I’m trying to say is that there is probably an optimum exponential (or bell) curve for each individual, and that we should try to stay just behind that line in progressive intensity. Further, crossing that line may cause modifications to tissues that cap further progression (unless possibly extensive deconditioning can eventually undo this to some degree).

If the above holds any water, then there would be even more reason to remind people to go easy and not do anything excessive in an effort to speed results, as it may actually make your goals that much more elusive(?) The first day of PE of 5 mins light intensity may be equally or even more important a foundational exercise that paves the way for, or dashes the results from the heavy stuff that follows several years later.

I just re-read my last post and want to qulify something I don’t think I did a very good job of making clear. When I say progressive intensity, what I actually mean is the same intensity for a given amount of tissue, but more force simply because there is more tissue at that point in the PE career.

I believe tissue responds in different ways depending on the stimulus, and we don’t want to make it necessarily stronger, but just to keep coaxing it a little further relative to where it is at that point. So a vet hanging 20lbs may actually be applying the same stress as a newbie at 2lbs, all else being equal.