Definition of “new gains”

What is the definition of new gains as pertains to PE? I read in another thread someone’s view on what was, or wasn’t, and disagreed with it. I wrote a long rebuttal and then deleted it as I did not want to derail that thread. In that process I realized that, as far as I knew, we had not yet established a consensus on what type of penile growth should be considered as new gains.

It may be easier to agree to what is not a new gain. For example, someone who currently measured 5” but had previously been 5.5”, begins his PE program and his penis now measures 5.5”. Primarily this change is just a function of improved EQ, and many of us now consider this example is one of restoration of size and not a gain. I’ll list and categorize others below.

I propose that we consider an individual’s “new gain” be an increase in BPEL or girth above the previous maximum size.

GAINS
Ligament stretch which transfers “inner” penis to BPEL and of course NBPEL is a gain.
Cellular replication and/or expansion which results in new BPEL and/or girth is a gain.

NOT A GAIN
Restoration of size to a previous size from improved EQ or other.
Reduction in fat pad. NBPEL may increase, but BPEL does not.
Girth from edema buildup is a temporary situation so is not a gain.

Simplistically I’d say that a new gain is just “new dick”.

What are y’all’s thoughts?

I clearly agree with you.

I don’t consider a gain when you are just recovering what you had which can be as you said the reduction in fat pad or a better EQ.

The term improvement is more appropriated for it I think.

This makes sense to me.

I do understand the comments made in the other thread, however, the rule doesn’t lie if it is used properly.

Lool if I only I had a pound for every time I have done this.

When you say new gains, you are referring to something different from newbie gains right? If so then I agree with you completely. Although I am sure that those who have made the gains will feel like they have a new dick, even if it was only restoration of previous size.

I’m going to rock the boat a bit.

Gains are gains. Just as in muscle. If you lose muscle mass and then decide to rebuild it, the amount of time to get that back was work and the reality of it is, your muscles are bigger.

I spent 3+ years on Losartan (blood pressure), completely unaware that it had an effect on libido. As a result I was often times 1.5” - 2” off of my current EL. I knew that I was off, but I didn’t know why. When I found out, I immediately stopped the meds. It took about a year for my erections to start to feel normal. There was still a gap, but it was improving. Last year was the second year off of the meds and slowly I was gaining length and EQ. What happened after I discovered PE last year has been written in other posts. But ultimately, I’m reaching lengths that I haven’t reached for a few years. For me, this is a gain. What I haven’t exactly gained in size, I’ve gained in usability.

As far as I’m concerned, the additional 1” in length and .5” in girth are gains because neither I nor my SO had access to them before PE.

I agree with this. I attribute my recent “gains” to better EQ. These are “gains” I never had access before.

Yep gains are gains and everyone is damn proud of theirs regardless of how they got them. I have gains from restoration and new gains. Restoration of a previous loss is certainly a gain, but it is not a new gain.

I don’t think comparing gain/loss of muscle mass to penile growth is an apples to apples comparison. Deciding to get buff again after having lost it is a less difficult path because you know what it takes to get there. You have high confidence of achieving that goal and there are established paths that you can follow. Additionally, bodybuilding is a much more common and widely accepted activity which is supported and encouraged by the medical establishment.

Penile muscle is unique to any other muscles in the body. We have no consensus on what PE exercise or activity is the best and the medical establishment is generally hostile to the concept. While there are studies supporting penile enlargement they are few and far between. Scientific studies of PE are in its infancy, and what we do and record here and in other PE forums is basically cutting edge research.

Just my opinion and I’d like to hear from others.

“New gains” represents increases in penile size that you never had before.

Regaining lost size is a “regain” or “regrowth”.

I consider myself to be new at PE, in that I tried it about 20 years ago but with limited info at the time gave it up. Fast forward to a few weeks ago purchased my 1st penis traction device and then last week found this site.

I do agree that regaining lost size although a gain but to me seems it could or should a a restoration. But it should also be a gain, a personal psychological gain which in a sense is why we all do this the feeling of a personal accomplishment.

I agree with 32 as far as terminology. However if your making PROGRESS, maybe switch words here, and your continuing too and your happy. Then my opinion is call it whatever the heck you want. Just keep doing what your doing.

In recovery meetings we say “It works if you work it. So work it” I’ve always felt the same about PE.

A measurement that exceeds your previous max is a new gain. This does not include any measurement that is not bone pressed, due to fat pad fluctuations from weight loss etc. I believe that anything else is simply improved EQ. Not to derail the thread but I’m a firm believer that for the most part newbie gains are more or less just an increase in EQ. With that being said the measurement will exceed the previous max and should still be considered a new gain.

What we don’t know for sure is when people stop doing PE and report a loss in size, did they really lose all of that size or did their EQ slowly go back down to “normal” levels. I think for the most part it’s the latter due to the fact that most people, myself included will get that size back fairly quickly upon starting back up again. That is a gain but it is not a new gain.

That’s my two cents on the subject. So in short I agree with 32quarters.

In my opinion, any gains above their all-time high would constitute new gains.

Gains between lost length and all-time high would just be called regaining.

I agree there is a difference between ‘restored’ and ‘new’. But as a guy who figured out that a half inch had gone missing I’ll be thrilled to see that old dick again.

In my case I lost .5” from a solid 6” in my youth. The unknown for me is: Are newbie around the corner for me once I get back to the original 6”?

I agree with the majority in this thread.

Having some experience in bodybuilding and the biomechanics of the body, gain is a size you have never had before. Recover lost size or recover EQ, is just that. Recovery. It is not gain. It might be gain for the subject, which is in a way good because it serves as a self convincing motivation of a non existence again, but in statistical tabulation and mathematics, the recovered size and EQ equals Zero gain. Gain starts once all the previous maximums have been reached. Every single millimeter surpassing the previous maximum equals Gain.

If recovery was gain, then I could PE, then stop, then PE, then stop then PE and so on multiple times a year shrinking 0.25” and regaining 0.25”and that would make me the biggest gainer in the world. But those would be fake gains.