Difference between an Engorged Flaccid State and a Regular Old Boner

Until very recently, I always thought that a penis pumped with blood = a boner. That changed after I read the thread about Bib’s Uli Thing and other similar threads discussing girth exercises in the engorged flaccid state. I experimented with these techniques and successfully achieved the engorged flaccid state, which makes me optimistic about using this state for girth gains.

Can someone help me understand the difference between these two states, i.e. a sexual erection and the pumped flaccid state? I don’t doubt that they are different, but I’m trying to understand the different responses of my dick in these two states and how that translates to girth gains. Thanks!

If one were able to successfully cut off ALL blood flow, both in and out, the effect of both states would be similar. However, if you start out fully erect, it is very difficult to put enough force around your cock to fully clamp off the blood supply, and you can get backflow that allows the pressures to equalize, leading to a less effective pump effect.

If you work you way up from say 50% erect, you can clamp off just enought to stop blood outflow but not inflow. As your shaft balloons, you can put the final clamp down, and trap 100% of the blood within it. That’s when the magic happens :)

RB,

Wow, you’re good. Really good.

Bigger

I’m just applying all those lessons you passed out over the years :)

Seriously, after finally getting my head out of my ass I listened to what you were saying, and it all became crystal clear. Applying your uli thing just a few times allowed me to see the light and give me the courage to stop all girth work and chase length until I hit my goal, then switch soley to girth work. I have no doubt it will work. Throw your LOT theory on top of all of that, and I feel I am getting the most effective productive workout each time I touch my dick. I am now working with a purpose, not just flailing along hoping something will happen.

We all owe an awful lot to you. Thanks for all you do.

RB,

Wow, you’re good. Really good.

Bigger

You heard the man, RB. And not just once either :D . Thanks, your reply helped a lot.

However, I’m still confused as to what makes the two states appear so different physically. Let’s assume both that states start with X ccs. of blood. A boner with X ccs. feels like steel (thank you PC exercises and jelqs :D !) whereas a flaccid engorged dick with (hopefully) the same amount of blood feels more like a water balloon. So it’s not the amount of blood that makes the difference. Or am I missing something?

Obviously there are girth exercises in both states that have been proved effective, so I’m trying to understand how the penis is physically different in these states. Thanks again.

I think there is some sort of physiological response that accounts for the difference, probably having to due with the pathways that cause a sexual erection versus just filling the tubes up with blood without sexual excitement, but I have no idea what they are… sorry.

Hey guys,

Just wanted some quick input here. I find that engorged flacid state very easy to acheive. The easiest way for me to do this is to begin to get an erection(about 60%) and then clamp off at the base with an ok grip. The next part is really kind of weird but it works for me. While having the base clamped off I ‘shake’ my unit with the hand that is clamped off at the base. I shake it really fast and then after about 30 or so ‘shakes’ I kegel extremely hard and then begin the ‘shakes’ again. I find that I can really get a good engorgement doing this. Now, my reason for asking for you for your input. I find that if I wanted to I could really get good stretches while in this state. My penis is filled with as much if not more blood then with an erection but it is very malleable(very soft but at the same time filled with blood). I have thought about doing the DLDs while in this state but tearing the tunica is frightening to me. Anyone’s opinion on doing stretches while in this ‘engorged’ but soft state? Are tunica tears, injuries more likely when erect?

Thanks guys
Sappy1

I’ll let Bib handle this one :)

BattleHymn,

>However, I’m still confused as to what makes the two states appear so different physically. Let’s assume both that states start with X ccs. of blood. A boner with X ccs. feels like steel (thank you PC exercises and jelqs !) whereas a flaccid engorged dick with (hopefully) the same amount of blood feels more like a water balloon. So it’s not the amount of blood that makes the difference. Or am I missing something? <

I do not really understand the question. Mine appeared larger with increased pressure, because it was larger. That is, when fully engorged with high pressure and back flow cut off. It did not feel like a water balloon.

Sappy,

>I have thought about doing the DLDs while in this state but tearing the tunica is frightening to me. Anyone’s opinion on doing stretches while in this ‘engorged’ but soft state? Are tunica tears, injuries more likely when erect?<

I do not really understand what you are doing, but when you work in the erect state, do not apply other forms of stress. For girth, the increased pressure from Ulis or EUs are more than enough stress to get gains. Also, about the only way to tear the tunica is in the erect state with two forces acting on the tunica.

Bigger

I guess the water balloon analogy may not have been such a good one. What I was referring to was that in the flaccid engorged state, my dick’s a lot more pliable than it is with a 100% erection. In that state, I can bend my dick 180 degrees with a little effort. With a boner, however, I can bend it 30 degrees at best.

Hope this clears it up.

BattleHymn,

>What I was referring to was that in the flaccid engorged state, my dick’s a lot more pliable than it is with a 100% erection. In that state, I can bend my dick 180 degrees with a little effort. With a boner, however, I can bend it 30 degrees at best. <

If in the ‘engorged’ state, your penis is pliable, then I would submit it is not truly engorged. When doing extreme Ulis, I could never bend my penis without risk of serious injury.

Bigger

In an erection there are hormonal and nervous signals that cause the arteries entering the penis to expand allowing blood into the corpora cavernosa under high arterial pressure. That mechanism isn’t working when you are not sexually stimulated, so the arteries are constricted (not completely) and less blood is flowing. Less flow, less pressure. When you clamp the outflow and let normal flow fill the penis it may get as full as when you have an erection, but the higher arterial pressure that is present with sexual arousal is not there and your dick won’t be as hard.

We really are trying to get the anatomy/erection/ejaculation thing together soon. When we do there will be a central place for this kind of information.

Thanks, Bigger. After reading your post before this one I started to have the same doubts too. A few hours ago, I tried clamping down much harder than I previously have and noticed my dick was much less bendable than before, but I think I still have a ways to go before I get to the state you described. Time to get off my ass and build a Uli Thing!

Thanks, westla. This helps me understand the difference. I look forward to the section that discusses anatomy/erection/ejaculation.