Different approach to PE and its workouts; READ THIS!!

I posted this one here on a different forum, and also copied from another one by one of the users over there. I highly recommend and encourage everyone here to read the ENTIRE post!! It got 91 replies at the BP Forum.

Quote Thermo:

There are so many mixed opinions about penile enlargement, especially on this board. Some have seen fantastic gains in as little as 2 month, while others have seen nothing after 6 months. Some have erections of steel, while others have a harder time attaining an erection.

As some of you know, I am a national bodybuilder, and have been for many years. I have been on the program for about 5 months now, and this is my look on it. As to date, I have gained 2 + inches, most of it being in the last 3 months. Basically, I look at my penis the same way as if it where any other muscle in my body, and take into consideration all the factor that determine muscle growth.

Have you ever been to a gym before, then stopped going, and returned a year later?? What do you usually see? Well, for argument’s sake, let’s say everyone that was there a year ago is still there. You will have some people who have gained a tremendous amount of weight, while others have gained very little, and most have gained nothing at all. Why? Were they not working out?? Yes, but one must realize that there are so many factors that need to be there in order to make growth possible. You cannot expect growth just because you do the exercises. All the exercise does is stimulate growth. Once you’ve done that, you must give your body what it needs to be able to achieve growth. Genetics will play a part as to how fast you will grow, but regardless of your genetics, EVERYBODY is capable of growth.

The 2 most common reasons why people attain very little to no growth.

1. Your Diet
2. Overtraining

The most important factor of all, and I cannot stress this enough is your DIET!!!!!! 90% of people have a terrible diet. No breakfast, fast food, lack of vitamins and minerals, lack of proper calories, essential fat, protein, and the list goes on. I can go to the gym, do everything right, but if I do not have the proper diet, I will gain NOTHING!!! and could even end up losing weight. So if you are serious about growth, look at your diet very carefully. Adding a multi vitamin will not solve your problem. If you don’t have the proper diet, a multi V. will do very little for you. I know they really push the vitamins and minerals on this site, but that’s only to make money. Yes, they are important, but there are many other factors to one diet that must be looked at.

Overtraining. Your biggest enemy. So many people are under the impression more is better. I see time and time again, people who go to the gym, and have the mentality that the more I do, the faster, and the bigger I’ll grow. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am 5’9”, at a competition weight of around 210, 5 % BF, 21” arms, 55” chest. And I do less sets and reps than 95% of the people in the gym. Why?? Simple, to attain growth you need to stimulate your muscle, telling it to grow, right?? Let’s take my biceps for example. I do three sets. 1 warmup set, one heavier set, and the last set I will do to absolute failure. (You must have INTENSITY on the last set) What have I just done? I have put my muscle under stress that it is not used to, hence, it will adapt. How will it adapt, by growing. You only need that one set to stimulate growth. If I were to continue and do 3, 4, 6 more sets, the only thing that I am doing at this point, is tearing it down more. I am doing nothing to increase growth. So my body will need more nutrition, hormones, as well as time just to repair the muscle. My point being, MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER!!

What happens when you work a muscle, is that you tear it down. Then your body goes in, repairs the damage that was done, THEN after that it will grow. If your body has not finished it’s repairs on the muscle, and then you work it out again, your are overtraining. There will be little to no growth. Your body is going to work hard and struggle just to repair itself. So if I preform 10 sets instead of 3, then I may be doubling the time it takes to repair my muscle before it can adapt. So why would you do more, when it only slows (or stops) gains??

There are two types of overtraining. Localized (Just a specific muscle) or your entire body. With penile enlargement, you obviously only overtrain locally.

My point to this post is this. Most people on this program are lacking the two most important factors that determine growth. Diet, and proper exercise. Don’t take this manual and follow it to the T. Experiment. Find out what works for you. Everyone is different, so you cannot set a guideline that will work for everyone. I have experimented with this program. For the first month on this program, everyday my sex drive would go down, my erection got weaker and my stamina got worse. So instead of continuing the program (as so many people do), I stopped and analyzed why I was going downhill instead of up. My biggest mistake, I did exactly what the manual told me. So after months of experimenting, I am now having excellent gains from this program. 2 + inches in length, 1 inch in girth, harder erection than ever before, and stamina has much improved.

This is now my routine.

6 day’s a week:

5-10 mins hot wrap before and after
10-15 mins of jelqing, that’s it!

I usually never go over 10 min. But I make it an intense 10 minutes. Hard, slow jelqs. And I make sure that when I do my stroke, that my penis expands bigger than normal. I find that sometimes when I am not erect enough, I can still jelq, but I don’t expand beyond normal size. You must make it bigger than normal in order to attain growth. I also find that I need to be around 80% erect to achieve gains, not 50-60% as I was told.

Now I only do stretching 2-3 times a week, and no more than 5 min per session. I found that to much stretching, as well as pulling to hard was the biggest factor in my ED.

Kegels, in the manual, it says you can never do to many of these. Bullshit!!! Don’t ever listen to that. You can!! I do a good set of kegles every 2 day. It took me about 1 month before I found out how to truly isolate the muscle. But once I did, the next day I was so sore, that I could barely walk lol…..I was sore for about 3 day’s after that. Give your PC time to recover. Don’t think that doing them in the morning, when you drive, at the movies, at night, 5 times a day will make it stronger. For me, it is counter-productive to work it so often. Try to give it one intense workout every 1-2 days. If you feel that you are overtraining, take a few days off. It will do you more good than most people realize. If you are performing tons of kegels a day, and still have a hard time getting an erection, decrease your frequency. My kegel-workouts are very intense. If I perform them everyday, that’s when I have trouble to attain, and maintain an erection. I can only perform them every 2 days. Any more, and it’s to much.

Dedication. One must be dedicated to see any gains. Don’t expect to see gains after a week. Give it time, they will come.

This is only my personal experience with the program. I am, by no means, saying that this will work for everyone.

Very, very wise words in my opinion.

Excellent stuff!

Excellent post! I loved it. So to say, some people recover/heal faster than others. I like your experimental attitude to pe! Some fol,low it religiously others intergrate it to their routines of daily life and hobbies.

I have read a book called scientific stretching. It shows through techniques manily fro Soviet block countries how to obtain maximum stretching. I will reread it again and see how close it is to pe on the real scientific technical writings. As an example, the author writes of kick boxers sitting on hot radiators to heat up and expand the stretchability of their legs.

I’ll be sure to keep you posted!

From working out in the Gym and muscles, I agree. Because in high school the Saying was “work the Soreness out” bad advice. Because the muscle wasn’t healed. But in PEing I’m ignorant to the fact if the same logic applies. My cock has a light, numb-type soreness to it right now, and I have a workout in a couple of hours. From what I’ve learned from working out muscles, I would do something different this morning. But I think today will be a 10 minute jelq with minor stretches. No zeke stretcher (world of difference with old BIB Hanger). I just want my efforts to have maxium effectiveness, I’ve got some results but I’m a newbie. With those results, I find my self pulling and minor squeezes thourghout the hole day.

Later BIG Future

When I first started, I jelqed for one half hour a day for 6 days. Although I did gain some right away, my erections were getting weaker and I was losing stamina slowly. Plus there was a general pain that wouldn’t go away. I tried more rest days and this helped. Now I’m doing the 5-6 day 10 minutes palm up palm down jelq, 1 minute stretch and its been working great. Now I really have a bulge!

I think a lot of people think that in order to achieve something you must work very hard at it. I think consistency is far more important than working hard. And maybe the working hard should be replaced with working smarter. I see on so many boards guys with elaborate 1 hour routines everyday and their gains if any have been next to nothing and they have been doing it for months. Its just stupid. And maybe dangerous. Why not do less and get more? I think a lot of it is just obsessive addiction and maybe some escapism. And maybe a little machismo. You know - I do 5,000 jelqs and two hour stretches - aren’t I so dedicated? Ultimately I guess its because these people dont know any better.

I’m far more impressed with someone who spends the necessary amount of time for maximum gain. The rest is just playing with your dick and wasting time.

You guys want to do an experiment? Have one guy do a 10 minute jelq routine 5-6 days a week (with this being the ONLY pe) and have another do the same but for 20 minutes 5-6 days a week and compare results after 2 months. Then have the same guys switch routines and see what happens. Or have a group do it one way and a group do it the other way.

Newbie,

we’ve done that already. I stuck to my routine of higher intensity -shorter workouts - more rest days. Gained 0.3 inches in 2 months, putting Thermo’s theory to work. Worked out quite well.

that’s what I do as well. very intense workouts with adequate rest days… it’s working very well… I gained an inch in length and and half inch in girth my first month…I won’t be measuring again for another three and a half weeks, but I can definately see that I’m still growing at a fast pace… I do a split length/girth routine with day devoted to girth and then the next day devoted entirely to length… I also use the power jelqer which produces extreme engorgements and I’ve made a bib-stretcher to work length just as entensively as girth… so I’ll see what the results are when the experiment is done in april

Has anyone been able to get in touch with thermo? That is actually an old post. I am very curious to know how he’s been doing since then. Does anyone know or have access to the board on which thermo made his original post?

-sexpilot

Hope that helps.

When one of you guys is over at Reece’s, see if you can sneak a link in to this place. And maybe someone else would be so kind as to do the same for our new sister forum?

But they probably kick me out. We’ll see….

Uncut4Big,
Thanks for the link. Used the search function and found a bunch of thermo’s posts. All of them were very interesting. Not sure I will join that forum since this and peforum are really great. I don’t have hours a day looking thought multiple boards.

thanks,
sexpilot

You’re welcome

I think i read somewhere that there is no way to tell if your muscles have fully recovered from your last workout. The soreness felt is usually in the tendons and will not effect muscle growth. Working through soreness may be good advice. However, since the penis is not a muscle (so i have heard), this rule doesnt apply. Working out in my younger day i first started doing a few workouts everyday. I did the same thing everyday, few sets of bench press, and maybe some curls. This did show great results for me. People said that is was against the weight lifting bible and i need more time to recover, but the gains kept coming. They were slow but thats usually how them come anyways. I was just wanting to say that i think the ammount of recovery needed is proportional to the amount of damage being done. I know many wieghtlifters who say that u shouldnt work the same muscle group two days in a row. I believe this has been accepted as law now, and i follow it to, but as i said i broke the law and got gains.

I work my PC muscle very moderately 2-3 times a day, as adviced on one of the websites. I dont think i could get a workout so bad that i couldnt walk the next day, if i could i may try. The muscle is hard to isolate for me so i can only work it moderately.

He is only talking about one rest day, but much lighter workouts i guess. So does this go along with what i said about recovery time being proportional to damage of the workout?

OK. I just read one of Thermo’s posts and he is saying he used steroids. That explains ALOT.

PEnister.