Gains, Vitamin C, amount of work

Ok, what do you suggest me do?

mike,

I don’t want to make out any diet plans. Above I wrote what I did.

Bigger

So, Bib, to clarify, you thesis is that those who consume less than the FDA recommendation of Vit C have easier gains, or simply that those who consume relatively low amounts of C have easier gains?

As you probably already know, it is quite simple to obtain the FDA recommended amount of 70mg of vitamin C in simply one glass of fruit juice. Thinking things, over, it would be quite difficult not to unintentionally consume any vitamin C in a day. I was just wondering what exactly classifies as a low amount of viamin C. I probably consume less than 1g a day, but that it still many times the recommended daily intake of Vitamin C (assuming that I absorb all of it).

Sorry for being so cumbersome, but with all the supplements I have been investing in, this was just racking my brain.

PS: Not that I have placed a great deal of stock in the supplements that I take, I realize that they can only work in co-operation with a solid PE workout.

“gains?” - Pretty much +1 cm EL and +0,5 cm EG.
“amount of time you have been PEing (when started)?” - Soon to be 2 months. (1.2.2003)
“hours per week of PE?” - 10 hours/week.
“type of PE?” - Mainly JAI’s, jelq and some squeezes accompanied with some trial and error hanging.
“mgs of supplemental daily Vit. C?” - 3x500 mg daily; morning, mid-day, evening.
“whether you eat or drink a lot of Vit C?” - Only pills.. ;)
“when Vit C is taken in relation to your PE workouts?” - Usually around the same time I PE, mayby a little earlier.

“I have had my own personal theories about this…” - If your going for that c-vit would have some serious positive effect on gains, I’d say you were high on crack. Naah, j/k m8… ;)

edit: Now that I read further..your saying opposite?

Insane_Man,

> So, Bib, to clarify, you thesis is that those who consume less than the FDA recommendation of Vit C have easier gains, or simply that those who consume relatively low amounts of C have easier gains?<

It would be hard for almost anyone with a normal diet to not consume close to the RDA of C, without any supplements. For the purposes of PE, I think intermittent consumption of extra C, supps or citrus, might be the ticket. IOW, allow the tissues to be somewhat starved of C for a few days, and then take a supp or citrus to allow repair of collagen. The period of less than RDA might make stretching somewhat easier.

base,

Yes, I am saying lower than RDA of Vit C might make tissues much easier to stretch during the period of negative C balance. Then, after a few days, you can tank up on C. Whatever C you do not need immediately is pissed off.

Bigger

Bib,

pe’ing approx 11 mo’s
progress +.75 el
girth nil
current program jelq/pump/stretch 1 hr/day
vitamin C 2-3 grams day
1 hr weight workouts 3x/wk
no aerobics

Don’t mean to throw a fly into the ointment, but for those big gainers who quit taking Vit C in the form of juice or fruit, is it not possible gains were made by reducing carbs/sugars? Less carbs means lowered insulin response and improved or at least normal Growth Hormome levels.
My question is can you separate those who take supplements vs juice or fruit in your study?

FE

feolds,

>Don’t mean to throw a fly into the ointment, but for those big gainers who quit taking Vit C in the form of juice or fruit, is it not possible gains were made by reducing carbs/sugars? Less carbs means lowered insulin response and improved or at least normal Growth Hormome levels.
My question is can you separate those who take supplements vs juice or fruit in your study? <

Don’t worry about the flys in the ointment. As far as this theory goes, it is already full of flys. A few more won’t hurt.

There is no way to seperate ALL the variables involved in this thing. Energy balance, other nutrients, potential for gains, PE techniques, etc all would affect any results.

My hope was, some guys who have taken a lot of Vit C might reduced their intake, and only take it infrequently, and maybe come up with a little anecdotal information. Without a strict clinical trial, I know of no way to come up with a reliable answer to the question.

Bigger

I started November 1, 2002, Now March 25, 2003 (4 1/2 months)

Started at 6.75 x 5.00
Currently 7.25 X 5.25

Power jelk 20 minutes
Squeezes 10 minutes
stretches 10 minutes

3 on 1 off schedule

Because it is winter here in Montana, I take a multi-vitamin and extra vitamin C. If I don’t I have a cold or flu for the whole winter and I can’t deal with the hacking and caughing so I take entra C (about 2000 miligrams ? per day). At least it keep’s the flu bug away. Montana

1K vit. C/day at 8 am for about 5 years.
I probably consume less than avg. in the foods I eat.
>98% of my PE done after 2pm.

I am currently 7 and 3/8 inches bpel.

I have a two-stage penis. My girth is 5.25 in cir. from the base to the circumcision scar (about the first 2/3s). From there it tapers down to 4.5in just below the head. My head is rather square and I would estimate its cir. to be about 4.75in.

I have gained a total of 5/8 erect length in my PE history. Both stages of my penis have gained ¼ in erect girth.

My erect angle is about 9:45. I believe it was around 10:30 pre-pe

I have been doing exercises off and on for about 4 years. The work I have done has been broken up into 2-4 month intervals. I would say I have put in about 20 months total. I usually put between ½-1hr/day, 3-5 days/week.

You name the technique and I have put significant time into it. I attribute the first half of my length gain to a manual stretch I developed way back and the second half to your standard production model hanger. I have always used standard Jelk and Uli 3s as the bread and butter of my routines and I attribute my girth gains primarily to these two exercises although I can not say which if any contributed more.

With the exception of the gains and erection angle, take most of this with a grain of salt; these were not easy estimates for me to make.

PS

This is really interesting.

For the record, about a month and a bit ago I decided to take a month off PE and focus on improving my physique during that time. I stocked up on supplements such as a multivitamin which had 300% of the vit c RDA, and I can’t remember 100% but I think I had 1mg of vit c on some of the days. I lasted about 2.5 weeks (PE junkie I guess) but during this time off I gained about 0.1” going from 6.15” ish to 6.25” ish.