Help! erection problem from stretching?!?!

Here is the deal.
I have been manually stretching more often lately and have begun to see small gains in the last week.
I have been laying off jelqing and squeezing for a few days due to dark spotting and coloration on the head that hasnt completely gone away yet, so I have been mainly just manually stretching.

The problem is that when I get an erection now it is very soft, hangs low, and is barely hard at all. I masturbated to orgasm/ejaculation today, but the whole time my dick stayed fairly limp. I read something about erection problems with stretching and I believe that is what is going on. Has this happened to anyone else? If so how did it happen and did it go away? Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

By the way I have read all relevant threads I could find in the injury section and none have really helped me.

Thanks for your help,

bogava

oh yeah- I also have a thombrosed vein (just a little bit). It is the dorsal vein, the big one that runs on the top of the dick.

Hey bogava,

I think you have a case of newbieitis. :D

Sounds like you starting doing too much, too soon, too hard.

Take some time off until things get back to normal (you can still read and PC in the meantime) and take it easy. Add intensity and reps gradually, very gradually. And before you get too intense with an exercise, make sure your technique is correct and understand what to watch out for, as far as possible injuries go.

Keep us posted.

Thanks thunder. Now that I think about it, you are probably right. Although I have been doing PE for a long time, I never seem to get past the two week mark without having to stop for a while due to malfunction. I never PE for very long sessions, but I suppose when I do I might push too hard. Anyways thanks for the advice.

-bogava

Thrombosed vein, bruises, ED …….. what the hell have you been doing! :mad:

Thunder is right - a classic case of too much, too soon. I can’t stress this enough (again!), if you’re not used to it you will injure yourself! You must start off slowly - your penis just can’t handle all these new stresses if it hasn’t been thoroughly conditioned first. It’s like running a marathon - if you haven’t done thorough training first, it’s very unlikely that you’ll make the finish line - you’ll keel over along the wayside somewhere. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve read or how much you think you know, if you haven’t done the proper physical preparation, your just asking for injury!

Newbies, (and Oldbies too) please (for the umteenth millionth time) take it slow and easy!! It’s not a race or competition. No matter what you do, it takes time! Learn to accept that fact.

End of lecture!

Now, bogava ……
Rest - NO PE for at least a month!!!! For the thombosed vein applying heat, gentle massage and taking aspirin seems to work for most. It may take a month or so for it to heal. Your bruises and ED will probably right themselves in a week or so. Bruises, especially on the glans can take a bit time to fade and wait for another week after that to strengthen otherwise you may find it will reappear. Vitamin C may help and Arnica (sp?) or vitamin E cream may also assist.
Any further deterioration in any of these injuries, see your Doc immediately!

lil1 :lep:

lilbig, what would you suggest for a routine when I start back? I have been doing PE off and on for a long time so I dont consider myself a newbie.

My routine has consisted of:

Girth:
10-15 min of slow 90% erect jelqs, and a few 10-20 second sqeezes

Length:
Manual stretches while mostly erect, and very recently between the legs erect stretches.

Most of my problems I believe have been as a result of the girth excercises, (girth is my primary concern.) I would welcome suggestions from anyone as to what my new routine should be when I start back.

I think I will take lilbigs orders though and chill the fuck out for a
while. (thanks lilbig)

-bogava

Now I see the problem! - erect exercises! Forget them - they are of little benefit and are very dangerous - it’s not worth the effort for the small amount they may give. Of all the injury reports we get here most appear to be caused by 3 things:

- too much too soon

- newbies doing advanced exercises

- erect exercises

When you fully recover, you may like to start with some gentle manual stretches (flaccid) and light jelqing for 10 to 15 minutes only. Slowly increase duration and intensity over the weeks/months.

Now take care and rest up! :)

lil1 :littleguy

I think the three most important areas this forum can contribute to in regards to the serious implementation of PE are 1) establishing that it does work, by collecting verifiable data/experiments similar to some of the excellent photo documentation I’ve seen, as well as the “experiments” gong on, 2) Establish what types of routines work. Again, the ongoing experiment A vs. B is a great way to do that, and 3) Establish what types of things to stay away from in order to avoid injury and/or Erection Dysfunction. Of course, it is complicated by the fact that every one is different, and responds differently to the same thing. What might cause ED in one man could cure it in another. Then again, maybe not. Maybe their are definite things in PE that cause ED. Maybe it’s physical. Maybe it’s psychological. Or both. But it would be a very important contribution to the field if we could figure that out. There are quite a few on this board, myself included, who never even faintly had a problem getting hard and staying hard, until practicing PE. Why is that? I agree that it probably has a lot to do with throwing too much at your penis too soon. And a very slow, gradual build up routine is best. But it would be nice to define what that level and time frame should be. When you’re doing it, it sure doesn’t seem like you’re over-doing it. I myself like very precise definitions when it comes to guidelines and recommendations. Like “1 hour before eating or 3 hours after” vs. “on an empty stomach”. And I would really like to know exactly why you get a limp erection after PE, in terms of the mechanics. Since the medical establishment won’t even consider the remote possibility of PE’s validity, I doubt we’ll see any studies coming from that arena. Or is it totally psychological? Once I started PE we I definitely focused on my penis during sex a lot more than before. And way more aware of it’s size. It’s hard not to be, when the person(s) you’re with keep commenting on how big it is. And it’s funny, but the bigger it gets, the MORE self-conscious I get about it. In fact, I don’t think I had an erection problem until after the first time my partner commented that it seemed bigger than usual. I made up some lame excuse about how excited I was. But it’s like once you start growing, you have to live up to expectations, and down it goes. Classic case of performance anxiety. Another recent episode involved a group situation - about six guys and two women. And for the first time in my life, I was the biggest one there - by a longshot. Well, I started out fine, but about halfway way through I was VERY self-conscious of my position of having a “huge cock”, and it slowly deflated to a 3/4 hard condition. Luckily, I was able to orgasm through oral stimulation. But it really made me think, “could it be psychological, and not physical at all”. I really wonder why this happens. If I could make a request - is their a way to incorporate ED occurrence in the A vs. B study group? A very closely monitored, newbie situation just might reveal at what point, and after what exercise, it appears. At least that would be a start. My own very subjective opinion is stretches are the worst risk, followed by heavy jelqing (now if I only knew what defined “heavy” jelqing). Maybe even light jelqing. I’ve cut way down on jelqing for that reason. I’ve never stretched. And contrary to what many others on this board recommend, I have found that erect jelqing (about 80 - 95% hard), especially with sticks, is SAFER than semi-erect. At least for me. It has reduced injuries, increased firmness in erections, and seems to increase gains. But with all the plateau’s and supplements, etc. it get’s hard to compare. For me, hanging, with a good hanger, near the base (never anywhere close to the head) has given the best results with the least negative side effects. I think it actually makes erections harder. And last but not least, if you are having any ED due to PE, I would recommend taking L-arginine (do a search to find out the details). It will cure that problem. And take it slow.

Sorry for all the misspellings and bad grammar in the above post. I ran it through the spell checker but I think I hit the back button too many times before I hit “Submit Reply”. The corrections didn’t seem to take. Sorry.

Daomun,

Excellent post. I agree with you that some sort of firm guidlines as to injury and technique should be established. It may take some work but that should definitely be one of the primary goals of this forum and its members.

In addition, I do not believe that “everyone is different” to the extent that no such guidlines could be made. As in weightlifting, medicine, healing, nutrition, or just about any other area regarding the body, there are definitely some basic principles that govern every human body, regardless of individual variation.

Hopefully when PE becomes more widespread, and its validity is conclusively proven, (even I am still somewhat skeptical), knowledge will accumulate.

-I almost forgot, what have your gains been like, and what are the details of your routine?

-bogava

So, do we have a couple of volunteers here? bogava and daomun??

How do you think it should be laid out?? I mean, we have an Injury Forum already. A list of do’s and don’ts? A list of most likely injuries from overdoing a particular exercise? Suggestions/hints on proper techniques to avoid injuries??

Over the course of almost two years I have gained about 2”. I say about, because I have always varied in size in conjunction with arousal. My “normal” erection has always lagged behind what I call my “raging hard-ons” by about 1/2” to 3/4”. The raging ones only occur with a woman I find especially erotic, in one on one situations. And I really have ruler shyness - it’s a race to get hard, and get the ruler to it before it subsides. So saying that, in my normal, mildly aroused state, I’m looking at the chart I started with, and it says here, in Sept. 2000, the first entry, I was 5 1/2” erect non-bone pressed. Although I always thought of myself as 6”. So it might have been a less rigid erection, or I was fooling myself for all those years. Today I’m at 7 1/4” to 7 1/2” non bone pressed, normal erection. And again, even within the confines of masturbation, it fluctuates, sometimes down to 7”. I think when I’m really aroused, by a woman, it’s close to 8” (and it was probably close to 6 1/2” in those conditions two years ago). Bone pressed I’m a solid 8”, normal erection. Of course I never measure when I’m in an intimate, aroused setting with a partner (oh wait honey! I’m really bursting at the seams, let me go get a ruler and measure! Nah, I don’t think so), so the extra length is just a guess. I find a more consistent way to measure is soft, dead-stretched (correct term?). I started at 5 1/2” dead-stretched nbp, and I’m now 7 1/2” dead-stretched nbp; 8 3/8” dead-stretched bone-pressed. In terms of girth, I started at 5 3/4” mid-shaft, erect. I’m now 6 1/8” mid-shaft, and 7” at the very base. Flaccid varies so much it’s hardly worth measuring. I started at 3 1/2” flaccid, which I’m often at still. But depending on many things, I vary from 4 1/2”, 5 1/2”, even sometimes 6” or 6 1/4” flaccid. If I give it a few good tugs, I can easily make it 6” or 6 1/4” flaccid. Most of these gains came from a combination of hand-jelqing and hanging. And I’ve been all over the board in terms of how long and how often - from 10 minutes every 2 or 3 days, to an hour of jelqing 3 or 4 times a day. I’ve decided, that similar to lifting weights, less frequency, with good intensity, works the best for me. My routine now - which seems to fit me the best and is giving me good gains again after hitting a long plateau - is: Soak in the hot tub for 15 minutes. Then an hour of actual hanging (this takes about 1 1/2 - 2 hours due to breaks) with heavy weights (start out at 5 lbs, increase gradually to 25 lbs). Soak in the hot tub again for 10 minutes. Then 50 very light hand jelqs to get the blood moving again (soft - 25% hard). Then 10 slow hand jelqs (50 - 75% hard), followed by Horse Squeezes (10 held for 10 seconds, 75 - 95% hard - less pressure the harder I am), then 30 to 50 stick jelqs (85 - 100% hard), depending on how my penis feels. I then repeat it all from the slow hand jelqs. And that’s it. It takes me about 15 or 20 minutes to do the jelqing. I NEVER do stretches. To me, it’s guaranteed impotence. I started at every other day, but lately I’m been doing it every day and it seems to be OK. I often will go by how my penis feels - if it’s “exhausted” I give it a rest until it feels up to it again. Likewise, if it seems to be doing fine, I’ll work it daily, until it tells me to stop. I’ve found that combining a loosely set schedule and allowing for flexibility based on what your penis is telling you works the best. For me. Since I’ve started this routine I’ve had no problems with injuries, and only one episode of ED (at the gangbang - how embarrassing) - which I think was psychological. I agree that at the fundamental level - our bodies are the same, and concrete guidelines will help 99% of the men improve their penis’s (peni ?) and avoid injury and ED. I am a firm believer that PE works, but it takes daily, consistent, LONG-TERM commitment, which only about 5% of the human population has the ability to do. I teach T’ai chi, and out of the hundreds of people who have taken classes (thousands when my fellow instructors/friends classes are included) I, and they, have never had anyone stick with it beyond a few months. That’s because it takes a huge, long term commitment to feel it’s affects. And in the West, we want the world, and we want it NOW.

Daomun,

I am curious as to why you feel manual stretching is guaranteed impotence, especially considering that you hang. How is hanging different from manual stretching? It seems to me that hanging is simply stretching with greater intensity and duration.

Thunder,

I have not considered how my suggestions could be carried out at this time, and I am certainly not giving you shit for not including them. I just feel that it would be beneficial, (although perhaps not really doable in this setting) to have some sort of data regarding routine and injury other than random testimonials. I think that the experiment going on now is an excellent idea and more like it would be great. Anything using stats and numbers is more reliable and more readily understandable than reading hundereds of pages of conversation. But as I say again, I don’t know if it would be possible to do on a forum like this.

It would be nice If some fucking MD somewhere could do a real clinical study on this and publish the findings in a legitimate medical journal. If PE actually works, and continues to become more mainstream, I feel that a study such as this will be out within a few years. I disagree with many on this board who believe that all doctors are too buttheaded and arrogant to look into this. My father is a doctor and I have asked him about PE. He simply said he didnt know, but it could be dangerous and to ask a urologist. I havent done so, but if there are urologists out there who start to do PE, studies will be soon to follow. (I am sure that plenty of doctors have the same insecurities as the rest of us.) Also, I often hear the argument that urologists wont endorse PE because it would take away from the surgery business, but the simple fact of the matter is, the vast majority of urologists do not perform phalloplasty (enlargement) procedures. I would be curious to hear luvdadus’ opinion on this matter.

-bogava

I understand what you are saying bogava. All the information is here, it is just hard to find and gets confusing, especially to a newbie. Maybe we can figure out a way to get some of it better organized.

The doc thing, I wouldn’t count on it happening in the near future, but it probably will sooner or later. Hell, maybe you will be the one that will make it happen. I think some of the problem is that a urologist would be hesitant to be the first to link his name to any kind of PE. It is his livelyhood and how he supports his family, not to mention the potential crap he would get from his peers. Then after he has done it and 3 or 4 years later is called a “pioneer”, no one will admit to giving him shit.

The thing I would like to see done first, is a good size study, by someone with great credentials and an absolutely bulletproof protocol, using as many random subjects as possible.

PS, if we move forward on streamlining/simplifying some of this information, you may get drafted to help. :D

Volunteers, huh? I knew I should have kept my big mouth shut and kept lurking! Well, I guess I could give it a go - although I’m far from an expert, but I do have the interest. But not the time. So what else is new. I’m not sure where to start or what to do, but I’ll think about it for a few days and get back to you. Perhaps a poll or two to start off with to find out how many people have experienced ED after PE? And which exercise/technique they think is the one that caused it? Maybe just gleaning through all the injury and ED posts and organizing/consolidating the observations? Who knows.

Bogava, the reason I say stretches are guaranteed impotence is totally a subjective opinion based on very unscientific observations of this board. It seems to me that I’ve read hundreds of posts about guys who’ve injured themselves stretching. More so than any other PE technique. My very subjective impression is that it is very dangerous. Why more so than hanging? I’m not sure. But I know I can really crank on my wank when pulling for all I’m worth. A lot more than a set weight and gravity. I think it boils down to people just can’t/don’t realize how hard they are really pulling. I’m sure I can easily pull more than 25 pounds worth, probably 50 or more. It seems to me, if there was a 100 lb. weight on the floor, I could mange to pull it across the room fairly easily, and even lift it off the ground. Wouldn’t that be the equivalent of pulling 100 lbs. worth of pressure? But I’m just guessing, I have no idea if that’s true.