Icing down while stretched

RTG, read the first link of my post. MagnumXL claimed the tunica layers were separated by a gel-like substance and that heating and freezing affected that gel.

I would agree with the fact that would help with the gel-like substance within the tunica and may help gains if you could isolate that part. But the fact is that the cold affects everything, not just the gel. Cold means contraction, and contraction is not what we want. So if you were able to isolate the cold to the gel it would be beneficial, but seeing you cannot do that I don’t see how it can help. It would be nice to test out his theory. Maybe I’ll give it a shot for a while. As soon as I get the SuckXtender constructed. :leftie:

I think I may try this when the gains dry up… If you know what I mean ;)

The theory is that heat causes extra thermal motion of molecules and provides energy to break crosslinking of neighboring collagen strands. Cold does the opposite, ie encourages new crosslinks to form while the collagen are in a stretched configuration.

Guys: yes, I know it seems counter-intuitive to apply ice — the only reason I am taking it seriously is that this practice came from the medical community, nothing related to PE — it is not one of our hair-brained theories, in other words, but something that is done for stretching tissues in the “normal” medical world.

Tube: very interesting!

Have you talked to any doctors about this?

I don’t think it would work for one thing, because there really isn’t a problem, unless the bruise was pretty blistered. When you are having pain in your penis, then you more than likely went to far.

I am a student nurse right now, and I believe that since your penis isn’t really a full muscle, the circulation to your penis is being faulted, you can’t really keep an erection in a cold pool, so what are your pros when cons are not feeling your penis ?

I would think the ideal way to test this would be to maintain maximum extension of tissues throughout the cooling process. If the tissues could arrive to a cooled state in their maximum extension, you’d probably have a PE revolution. I’m a Newb, but two methods come to mind: 1) Use a clamp and then fairly rapidly remove the heat from the penis by application of ice packs. I don’t know enough about clamps - Would the penis stay erect during this treatment? 2) Somehow rapidly cool the air inside a pump while maintainig consistent pressure. Tricky, as the pressure would decrease as the air is cooled. You’d have to precisely tune the pressure of the unit to the cooling of the air inside. One gross way to cool the air would be to simply apply ice all around the tube, this would pull out the heat pretty quick.

In theory, these methods would solidify the extended collagen into it’s new shape.

I tried it this morning. I usually do 10 minutes of low pumping followed by my usual routine and then use the Auto Extender for 1 hour then follow with some wet jelgings. So today instead of doing the wet jelgings I put a frozen gel pack on for the last 5 minutes while still in the extender. It was way cold and I used a paper towel between the pack and my dick. When I removed the extender my FL was a full 1/4 inch more than usual. Then I turtle up for a while as I went about my morning, ate breakfast and took a hot shower. After the shower I was very plump and hung good all day. I never measured but it felt bigger than normal. I will try it each time I use the extender for the next few weeks and see if it helps. One reason I decided to try this is because some time ago I had read about alternating hot and cold during your PE work out and I just never tried it as I really don’t like the cold on any part of my body. But for the greater cause of PE I will suffer the freezing cold and keep you informed of my results. By the way I do my PE under a 250 watt heat light, so things stay nice and warm.

Necogy

In 1969 I was a strong 7” bpel

By 2003 I had shrunk to 6 1/2” bpel (you don’t use it you loose it for darn sure)

Started PE on a pay site and gained to 7”bpel and 5 1/4 eg

Found Thunder’s in Feb and now am just over 71/4 bpel and 5 1/2 eg

Thank you Thunders

We’re not talking bruises or blisters here, we are wondering if the tunica is affected in any way by warming up / cooling down to allow the stretch to “cement” in a slightly longer state than previously. Read the above posts, including links for background.

Tube:
Got a link or more info on the theory mentioned?

I wonder if guys who put on some sort of stretcher of stretching wrap after PE are accomplishing the same thing - though the penis cools more slowly than by adding ice, it still cools - while the tissues are stretched. The main thing would seem to be to let the tissues cool while still in the stretched state.

I am also wondering if this would apply to girth exercises as well as length (stretching). Probably not.

If you use a iced wrap, maybe. Regular wrap, no. The idea would be to go below regular body temp for the area we want to affect (= tunica). I normally traction wrap after my 1-2 hrs ADS:ing, but that is nothing close to actually cooling down in an elongated state.

As for cooling and girt excercises, yes - it is the tunica that deals with girth also, and magnumXL used a cockring to keep fat (= stretched girthwise) while he iced the sucker (gaaaah!).

I remember back when all these threads on icing down post hang were floating around I was experimenting with putting the lead rings in the freezer. The lead holds the cold temp really well, even a little too well. That was back when I was able to wear them with the rubber coating. Now I’m wearing them with the rubber stripped off, I can imagine how they would freeze up like little rings of ice. If one heated the tissue to 104 or as hot as you can stand it while hanging, then after the last heated hanging set took the frozen rings out of the freezer and slipped them on to your dick at its most heated, elongated length and wore the rings until your body temp slowly warmed them to 98.6 would this not be the most efficient way to cement that post hang length? I think I’ll give it a try for a couple of weeks and see how it goes.

I’m thinking that fixed length (ie static stretcher) would be better - this is a hunch I have after mbuc’s hanging experiments with heat / cold (Penile stress/strain relationship).

There is a cooling spray used by some osteopaths and physical therapists who use the techniques for trigger point therapy developed by Travell and Simmons. They use this aerosol spray to facilitate a muscle stretching technique. The spray goes on the skin and very rapidly cools it.

Could a spray like this be used to selectively target the tunica fibers in a fully expanded state, such as while clamping? The elastin in the tunica could then be “hardened” by rapid cooling in the extended position while the underlying tissues would remain warm and less likely to shrink from the cold of ice packs, etc. I’d hook up links to the cooling spray but currently have not time. Just a thought.

Very interesting, corner. Anyone know a source for these medical products? Should certainly work …