Info on L-Arginine

I found this one on a different forum. It’s interesting and worth looking into:

Hey Biggy, if you’re 18 or under don’t take ANDRO. It can cause an over-accumulation of hormones which in turn creates more side effects than benefits. Also anyone taking ANDRO should be aware that although it will increase the level of testosterone, your body will naturally try to combat this by creating estrogen. As you might know estrogen can lead to the development of "bitch tits" and shrunken testicles. Arginine is a better choice for healing your unit; however if you want the full effect of taking arginine you should take it along with ornithine and lysine. Here is a medically tested program:

250-500mg of arginine
500-750mg of lysine (to combat arginine’s herpes induction)
250-500mg of ornithine (arginine needs ornithine to produce growth hormones)

Please don’t assume that the more you take the better you’ll heal/gain. It’s all about moderation and patience. Good luck.

Here’s the link, if anyone is interested:

http://www.drug store.com/searc … 5&btnNavGo.y=10

Uncut,
I have been taking the 500mg of L-arginine and L-lysine for close to a year and am very satisfied with the results. I see a lot of other guys posting about 1000 to 3000mg or so per day. I don’t know if certain guys will benefit from the larger doses or just piss it out. I’d suggest that anyone start with 500mg of each and give it a while to work.

Don’t know that the ornithine is needed either, as I have read that you need a hell of a lot more L-arginine to have any effect on hgh production.

Thunder,

I’m at a 1000mg L-Arginine and about 500mg L-Lysine a day. Haven’t looked into Ornithine yet, but I’m going to. About the hgh thing, I have not found any info on it, in connection with above mentioned supps.

I read the original research paper on the effect of arginine and ornithine per inducition of pituitary GH (growth hormone)production. As I recall, it takes unphysiological amounts of at least 6 to 10 g per dose (6g=6000mg) to trigger GH. 500 to 1000mg/d will have no effect. Per arginine and its impact on the erection mechanism, we are talking about needing on the order of 5g to induce effects, 500 to 1000 mg will be of no value.

Merlin

Merlin,
I have proof in hand, so to speak, that 500mg of L-arginine works, if taken regularly. Perhaps the research was looking for immediate effects on erections, and not considering the long term effects at all.
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SWM22 posted a good link re: L-arginine and HGH on the BP Forum long ago. I found the link, but the site appears to be down now. The site shows ativity today, so it may be a temporary thing.

http://www.smartbasic.com

Try checking it later.

Thunderss

The research I quoted studied ARG, ORN induction of GH, it did not cover ARG impact on erections (another topic) the ARG impact on erections is a collective impression from my reading, if 500 mg work for you please let me know.

Thanks,

Merlin

Hey Merlin,

I am a constrictor addict, i.e. caffeine and nicotine. The L-arginine is a dilator and works well to counter the effects of the constrictors, for me anyway.

If I stop taking the supps, I notice a gradual decrease in the quality and quantity of my erections. This happens if I am doing PE actively or not. I have tried a larger amount of L-arginine and did not see any further improvement.

The logical thing to do, would be to quit the coffee and smoking, but that is easier said than done.

On the Hgh thing, I have read that large doses are required and that L-arginine should not be taken with L-lysine, as they both use the same receptors, and the L-lysine will inhibit the release of Hgh.

Thunderss

It sounds like you have your supplementation well regulated. I have been involved in alternative medicine/wellness field for years and am a strong advocate of supplementation- vitamins, minerals, herbs,amino acids and so on to optomize health. Have you tried nicotinic acid (niacin) a good peripheral vasodialator giving a great flush?

I look forward to participating on this board, and am very impressed with many of the indepth answers on PE.

Regards,

Merlin

Merlin,
I used to take a B-Complex tab that contained 100% DV of niacin (along with the niacin at 100% DV in my multi) before I started the L-arginine. The niacin would be a close second as far as I’m concerned. Still taking the multi now.

Years ago, I was told by someone that was really into vitamins, that there are two types of niacin. One that causes flushing and one that isn’t as bad. Do you know anything about this?

Thanks for your interesting posts, they help to keep people coming back to this forum. Nothing interesting to read, and they stop checking in.

Almost wishing for a bunch of newbies. :)

ThunderSS

Nicotinic acid form of niacin causes flushing, niacinamide does not. Look on the vitamin container which will indicate the form of niacin. Fyi, I take 500 mg morning and evening-great flush!

Merlin

It says it right here on the bottle:

“Niacin may cause a temporary flushing reaction in certain individuals”.

My question: What is flushing? I wanna know if I understood the entire info on the bottle right.

Niacin amount p/d: 50mg or 250%

Uncut,
Check this link for info on "niacin flush". Hope this helps.

Niacin Saturation and the Flush

A little more info here, but they are selling something.

Thanks, Bro.

It was exactly what I was looking for. And Vigorplex has enough Niacin to make you look like a beet :)

Not to mention the extra boost added by the L-arginine and yohimbe. Straight niacin would probably be tame for you now. How is the new stuff working out?

So far it’s working great. More sex than ever and since the start of the experiment my flaccid size has gone up, from 5.3” to 5.85”. I know it’s nothing to be cheerful about, since it’s only the start of the experiment, and a normal occurrence, but hey, still feels good. It hangs much lower and the look of it is, ‘pumped’ to say the least. And that every day! I wake up in the morning with an enormous boner almost every day. So, I’ll keep taking it until GF is worn out :D . That should teach her something, at least…..