Is LESS more, or is MORE more?

Collagen is protein.

Every growing process in our body (after we put puberty behind) is about micro-injury. It’s what makes muscles grow in bodybuilding (which I am into).

Clearly the dick isn’t a muscle though.

But just like yoga over time impreoves dexterity via extension and therfore micro-injury to ligaments, PE can do the same. It’s clearly proven by the tribes that have ritualistic penile extension traditions. Given enough time, there is no doubt the human body can be shaped.

I don’t know if micro-injury is the right term for what we try to do with PE, or some PE since there are paradigms of PE that do try to use something that definitely qualifies as micro-injury through cavitation.

Connective tissue is kind of like a set of mesh of interlocking gears and springs with multiple kinds of connections and the ability to repair and a continuous rate of replacement. Elastin is like springs that can extend a great deal but have less ability to withstand force, collagen is more like gears.

If you distend either of these connective tissue subsets, the continuous repair and replacement will change the connections between monomers and polymers to meet the new configuration without something I would call injury.

That’s not to say all PE doesn’t cause injury. Definitely some people have sustained macro-injury, so micro-injury is a given in their cases. I just don’t know that all PE causes even micro injury. Unless we get some histological studies on PE it’s an unknown.

The process of extending tissue occurs normally through much of the body and we don’t call that injury, or at least I don’t. The lungs are continuously expanding and undergoing subtle changes, the skin on your hands is constantly experiencing different stresses and changing.

I’m just questioning the terminology. I do think the elongation of fascia of the penis is comparable to yoga stretching, though I’m not entirely sure that’s the most important driving factor of penis enlargement. I may never be 100% sure about the mechanisms of PE, but that might not matter since we may still establish the best protocols for penis enlargement through battery testing of various hypotheses and close inspection of the data we have available. It is possible to find a solution to a problem without fully understanding it or the solution.

From a pharmacological perspective smooth muscle can be easier to modify, in some ways but not all, than skeletal muscle thanks to decades of heart disease research. I mean, maybe that’s not entirely true, it really depends. I think actually approaching hypertrophy of skeletal muscle from a pharmacological perspective would be literally one of the easiest projects. The only reason skeletal muscle growth isn’t approached with injections is because it is so easy to gain skeletal muscle and intramuscular injections pose more risk than is warranted.

Smooth muscle cells can be coaxed into moving all around the body like a game of musical chairs with the right drugs, where as skeletal muscle cannot. They really are very different cell lines, they’re just collectively called muscle because of their ability join to each other and visibly, without aid by a microscope, contract.

I didn’t think any progress could be made and was okay with that.

I was not using any vacuum or stretch devices for awhile either.

My wife and I go to the health club together and I lost 20 pounds and gained strength, lower blood pressure and working on flexibility.

What I noticed when taking measurements there is approximately 1 inch gain in length. Diameter remained the same.

Firstly thanks for the great thread. After a Long decondition break (years) from PE, which I didn’t really gain in the end. I’m currently trying, with what seems to be working, doing a Longer session, an hour, with not Too much intensity and rest until all dick ache feelings are gone, 40 hours or so. I figure it is growing on it’s own while it’s repairing, so let it do it’s thing before pushing it again. I think it was FireGoat or other senior member who got me on this idea, stating short sessions can toughen the dick and limit gains [I don’t recall the thread name]. He didn’t mention downside to long sessions besides don’t be too forceful. He also mentioned that 2 sessions per week is minimum you need but still productive at only 2. I apologize for not being able to directly quote it.

Any feedback on longer, not high intensity, sessions with more rest until all aches are gone? Have you guys tried this and/or noticed it is just slower to gain? I noticed some results after just 3 sessions with it.. But I haven’t tried a 1 on 1 off or more regular training yet..

If you haven’t tried the long session 1 day on and 40 hours off, or so, method, curious if anyone thinks it might be a promising variation..

Ps. I’m basically just training for girth now at 7.5” x 5” erect

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I haven’t tried what you’re suggesting but I definitely notice that I reap more gains during a break. And for that reason I have started implementing more breaks. Right now, I’m leaning towards more of a 1 Month on /2 Weeks off approach. I like to feel fatigue for awhile before going into a rest and recovery phase. Just stretching for a day would not get me to that fatigued feeling that I enjoy.

I m glad that this thread came to life again because it s gonna help many ppl that are gaining slow or nothing.

My 2 years on constant PE and my previous scattered periods have shown clearly that I am definitely a less is more guy.

Refreshing to see a more scientific perspective on understanding the cellular dynamics of growth. Your comments on the smooth muscle hypertrophy of the heart have been echoed in my own brain for quite a while. We know that the heart can hypertrophy, my one constraint with using that topic to draw parallels to the smooth musculature of PE is a matter of training volume. The heart can grow but it does so due to its training volume - which is all the time. We can’t get the same amount of stimulus for the penis.

I’ve been doing PE on and off for a few years but have found it difficult to stick to a routine for longer than a month. I have a question about volume - and throw me elsewhere if this isn’t the correct thread for it or if the conversation has happened elsewhere. I now live alone and work from home so I have the perfect schedule to allow for decent training. I’ve been pumping for about a month, about 10 minute sessions, 4-7x a week. I have had zero growth in that time.

What is a realistic timeline for measureable, significant gains?

Thanks!

Zezima,

Everyone is different.. So many variables

The only thing you can replicate is dedication.. Which you have

Have you thought about a routine like below * as example?

Warm up/warm down required *

Stretches

Monday
Stretches
3 x 10 min clamps + edging

Tuesday
3 x 10 min clamps
3 x 10 min pumps
Edging

Wednesday
(Same as Monday)

Thursday
(Same as Tuesday)

Friday
(Same as Monday)

Saturday
(Same as Tuesday)

Sunday
(Same as monday)

Obviously no breaks are put into which would need to be included, just an example routine?

Thanks man. I’m playing around with intensity at the moment, seem to have gained a little bit of girth, not using the pump anymore. We’ll see how it goes.

I’m just over 1 month in PE newb so don’t take this as gospel, but I’ll explain the approach I am now taking in my PE.

First a little about me, I spent from age 12 to around 30 (when I became more of a Bjj guy and mma guy) weight training my arse off and for a natural, with my genetic potential, I had a good physique in my 20s. The principles I used for weight training, and stretching which I will go on to discuss, are the same as PE, for me, well, I’d go as far as to say they are identical concepts, just a different body part.

With my natural weight training, (I once took 4 weeks of testosterone shots in my youth and boy did I make gains and only on tes ); I used the principle of the bigger you become, the more it takes for that body part to recover. If identical twins did a set of leg presses with max weight barely enabling 10 reps and then without resting in the lock out position they have reached what is called positive failure. Now, if say Jack is Jacked at 15 shredded stone but his identical twin John is a pencil pushing accountant that is 10 stone , who do you think will need longer to rest after a 10 rep set taken to positive failure? It’s Jack, because he has way more muscle to repair, compounded by his stronger mind muscle connection to enable max effort and muscle micro tears.

So, and I’ll use myself as an example (and ignore the exercise choice and whether a newb should be doing it). I’ve just started PE and I stupidly challenge the biggest guy on Thunder’s Place to a hanging competition (which I’ve never done before by the way) If I took my then total newb flaccid of just over 3 inches, maxed out for 1 minute with 5kg and then it was over to Mr gargantuan, he flops out his python at an 8 inch in maxed out shrinkage mode, he hooks up his wife and ex to his cock for his new PB hold for 1 minute. Now who’s going to fully recover first? It’s me as my puny effort, if it generated the growth process at all, won’t take long to patch up an acorn. Now Cockzilla with his PB is going to need a few days to fully rebark his tree trunk. It’s just basic physics and human biology. We are talking natural here, if meaty is on anabolics or growth hormone he’d be good the next day, but if natural, the bigger, stronger you become from your base, the longer your recover should be. Stretching is the same, further the ACTIVE stretch, the longer recovery is needed, especially when you’re near to your max potential. And that exists, but nobody knows what their preset genetic potential is. But aim for a foot and you may hit 8 or above.

Advanced guys, if you’ve plateaued, I dare you to totally take a holiday from PE, don’t even think about it, then switch to twice a week training but try to get a BP in every discipline of your PE program. I think you’ll start gaining again. Then when you reach another sticking point, total PE sabbatical for a week, then once a week training, trying to beat PBs every time.

That’s what I’ll do when I stop gaining, if I’m still drug free at that point. If you are on growth, and anabolic stacks you could probably pull your car with your cock every day and be fine.

It’s the same principle with stretching, you can passive stretch all day everyday and be good as it’s relaxing. If I took a typical mr average and he wanted to be able to do full box splits pressing firm against the floor for 180 degress, (I got to around 220 degress or more on the leg stretcher and I was comfortable at that and I had average flexibility when I first started martial arts and stretching) if he just used static passive stretching which is stretching until you feel slight tension then stopping, it would take the guy 2 years or more to get into full box splits. But if the same guy were to do active static stretches (and utilise the Golgi stretch receptor by stretching until he felt tension and then squeezing the shit out all the surrounding muscles around his groin for 30 to 60 seconds for a max tesion hold and then relax, use the power of the golgi 😄 reset tension, then crank further, wait for tension, tension squeeze to max for 30-60 then relax, golgi lowers tension, wash rinse repeat for 5 tension holds then stop) then that same guy would be sliding into box split in a quarter of the passive static method time.

Now in reality both methods should be used. So let’s get PE specific. Say, I’ve had my cock rack on for 8 hours in total, gradually reaching max tension for my current PB in my passive record. Every time I go to the bathroom it’s out with the old coconut butter, 50 jelqs or so, depending on how I feel dictates how hard the jelq, the method etc. End of the day, bath session, with my hydro, trying to pass my BP, but pumping supplements my stretcher not the other way around (my wife says my natural 5.1 girth, way fatter on the head though, was too much for her at times so she doesn’t want wider, great as it looks like I could work towards a square cock as the girth is going crazy. Women, always want the opposite of what you have, and that’s just not in cocks, it’s everything, but I digress) where was I? Oh yeah, out of bath 100-200 jelqs picking up the intensity if my dick feels strong. Then downstairs to My Quick Extender Limited Edition Double Velcro with Self Sticking Pressure Support Wrap Pro stretcher.

Cock in a rack active stretch featuring Golgi reflex organ: So you’ve got to your BP for a passive stretch of say 7 inches ( that’s where I’m at now and I’d kill right now for my extra rods I’ve paid for, hurry up Canada, I’ve got a cock to grow). So you get back to your best passive stretch for that day, and then you repeat the active stretch mentioned above, same thing, just you concentrate on your dick and tense up as much as you can around your wad, including your dick tendons and tissues, if you can, I don’t know I never studied cock before, in fact I reckon straight guys no more about the inner workings of the female anatomy than their own cocks. I know I do, far more in fact. Go through the 5 sets active stretches and you should be (on a half decent cock day) into bigger dick territory. After the 5th set, DON’T be greedy if you reach a PB, be happy, dial back now to your new setting for passive no tension stretch and keep on for as long as long as poss. If you can get a setup that is really comfortable and there is little if any impeding of blood flow, you may way up the risks versus rewards of sleeping in your contraption at passive stretch max, as this doesn’t slow recovery time and indeed is much more likely to aid recovery and cement your active stretch PB size. I’d have slept in my passive max in my real leg stretcher, but it would have been kind of awkward. I’ve got a fantastic set up now for my stretcher that keeps a lovelybwarm blood flow in your dick, no more 7 inch stick of spaghetti. It feels like my old boner size at peak six inch boner, but now its on the slack going down my leg. I’d stretch it way further but I’m waiting on more rods.

Big thanks to my wife for the idea of using self adhesive pressure bandages, these things are made for PE. Hopefully sweetheart, you’ll reap the benefits of the suggestion.

If you’ve got this far, thanks for listening to a crazy old man and happy cock growing, now go show that thing who’s the boss 🐓.

This thread makes me think I’m overtraining. The issue is that I think I’m overtraining without doing any PE. Lifting weights and running already makes my EQ go down before any PE is introduced. Is PE just not for me at this point if I prioritize physical fitness more?

Have you recently started lifting and running, or significantly increased the training rate?

I’ve been physically active my entire life. That said, the issue is the training rate, there’s no real mystery there. If I take a day or two off training, EQ is great. This has always been the case for me, it’s nothing new.

My diet/sleep is already optimized as well. I just train hard every day for a week or two straight and take a day off and repeat. Physical fitness is my priority so I’m not going to reduce training rate so if that means poor EQ and PE, that’s ok, I don’t expect a magic solution or something for nothing. I’m just trying to explore all my options for what I can still do for PE but if the answer is nothing, that’s ok.

Just have to see how your body reacts.

I only stretch/jelq 4 days weekly with kegels and bathmate daily.

Works well for me. EQ through the roof, progress, and only positive indicators.