Magnets enhance PE

Serenity73 anything you can add to this discussion would be appreciated.

I’d rather try and understand how this could work than simply dismiss it.

I appreciate the sentiment, capernicus1.

The essence of it is outlined in my first post.
As mentioned, you’re basically looking at point charges in a magnetic field. Now, in such a system, given no other influence, there is no doubt about the way in which the charges (ions) will be affected. The relevant ones in this scenario, the ones moving perpendicular to the lines of the magnetic field, will experience an acceleration that’s perpendicular to both their current velocity and the field lines. Because the lines are constant and the velocity changes according to the acceleration, this will cause them to move in circles inside the field.
So far, I’ve made no assumptions. That’s simply how it works.

The problem however, with biological systems is the huge list of external actions on the system. For one thing, your charges are in a solution (blood) so there will be a concentration gradient which will affect their movement. They’re probably not moving at the same speed either, so not all of them will be “caught” in the field - if the speed is too great, they will leave the field before finishing a complete circular movement. Different types of ions have different masses so they’ll experience different accelerations - you get the same problem as with speed. And so on.. (different electric fields, the fact that ions will be colliding, changes in the speed of the blood flowing by etc.)
So there are a lot of things that can interfere with the movement of the charges.
However, my point is that theoretically there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be possible to construct a magnet in such a way that it could indeed cause an accumulation of ions when placed near a bunch of moving ions.

Ions in the human body move at a very slow speed; they will be not affected even by a powerful magnetic field. If the adverse was the case, think what would happen when you undergo an MRI.

You’re way over my head with this stuff I’m afraid, I’ve seen claims that blood cells passing through a magnetic field are either spun or separated I don’t remember which. Does that make any sense ?

Oh, you had to bring that up, didn’t you?

I can see it now; it won’t be long until someone suggests MRI as a PE technique. :)

I had to bring up because it fits with what was being said, genius.

You forgot the smiley on your reply, marinera. :)

(Unless you’re serious about calling me a genius, in which case, thank you.)

Of course I was seriously calling you a genius. No problem, truth is truth. Even geniuses sometimes lose some details in a hurry, though.

Well, yes capernicus, that does make sense, although it’s a different problem from this one. What happens, as far as I remember is that you can reduce the viscosity of blood with magnetic fields because the individual blood cells are aligned in the field (acting as magnetic dipoles). So they’re basically spun around, breaking them free from eachother if they are clumped together.
It’s the same thing that’s used in a MRI scan, only with water molecules - and a different purpose.

But even if my proposed theory has some merit to it, an MRI wouldn’t really disrupt anything. It would just change the direction of ions in the entire body. That shouldn’t be noticeable.

"Claims

Research indicates that in general, magnetic therapy works because of the electromagnetic nature of the body.
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Every cell in our body consists of electrically charged particles that are either positive or negative ions. All are directly affected by exposure to external magnetic fields.

Analysis

Utter nonsense. External magnetic fields have very little effect on the body’s electrically charged particles (negative and positive ions). Only ions that are moving are affected. Those that are not moving are completely unaffected. The body’s ions move very slowly, so even a strong external magnetic field will have little effect. The very powerful magnets in MRI machines can cause tiny changes that the equipment can detect but are temporary and have no known health effect.
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Stephen Barrett, M.D.
John W. Farley, Ph.D., Professor of Physics at the University of Nevada

http://www.quac kwatch.com/01Qu … /florsheim.html

I know we aren’t speaking of magnetic shoes for PE, ok? ;)

Ball Zinger (Blakoe Ring) - 2002 Site - Tom Hubbard

He’s not really addressing the problem at all, though. Yes, only the moving ions are affected, but that’s just exactly what I’ve been saying. The moving ones are the only ones relevant to what I’ve been looking at. His MRI comment is completely irrelevant as such a scan only looks at the alignment of molecules (considered magnetic dipoles), not their motion.

The moving ions will experience an acceleration (perpendicular to their motion so they won’t increase in speed) that depends on their own speed by a linear relationship (almost, anyway, I’m ignoring the effect of the E-field from the ions here). However, because their mass is so much smaller than their charge (in SI units), the constant of proportionality is in the order of magnitude 10^2B (a = 10^2B * v). So even at low speeds, with a reasonably strong magnet, it’s fairly easy to change the direction of an ion in motion.

Found this which doesn’t claim to have any answers but does present a theory of how it might work.

From a theoretical view everything serenity has described is supported in the upper lever physics college classes, at least the ones I took years ago.

Analitically, I can say that I have used area magnets on my back to reduce pain and it worked. I also use magnets on my home water supply to remove the effects of hard water.

Never tried them on my penis yet, but only because I haven’t had a good way of doing so.

We’ve had hundreds of people try the ball zinger and other versions of it and 99% reported no results. Believe me I would love for the results to be different. It seems the only gains you can get from a magnet are hanging a 20lbs one from your dick for hours a day. With that said I almost bought a copper magnet bracelet the other day on Amazon so I want to believe. So Serenity73 I hope you can find a way to test your theories and your right:) .