Metal Ed, read this.

Metal Ed,
I know what you mean about the deadlifts and hand strength (350 x 10 without wrist straps is impressive). I was also a gym rat, of course, and I used to be able to rip a phone book in half, back in the day. I’m sure that I could still probably rip my dick apart – so I experience the same concerns you do.

But regarding your posts about the layoff and your now-stronger tunica, I don’t believe you discredited my layoff theory – I believe you substantiated my theory that mega-intense PE is counterproductive. Consider….

Not only was I a hard-core trainee, but I was also a personal trainer. Guys would seek my advice when they saw me doing warmup sets with their 1RM. No doubt, they expected to hear some ultra-intense crazy-assed mega-psycho workout from me. But when I would tell 99% of these guys that they’re overtraining, they would shake their heads and walk away.

Invariably, when some circumstance would force them from the gym for a few weeks – strep throat, sprained ankle, etc. – they would come in fretting about how “damn weak” they must now be. But then they’d find that they had, in fact, lost no strength at all – they were actually stronger after the layoff. Did this change their training outlook?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
It was back to the same old shit, and they would usually lose those newly-found gains.

Your super-intense PE transformed your tunica into a Kevlar vest. You saw some slight gains during the layoff because you were obviously no longer overtraining. So, you experienced full recovery, followed by the subsequent supercompensation (i.e., additional strengthening of the tunica). Even though you had been overtraining, you were still receiving some strengthening in the tunica – just not complete supercompensation. The 1-month layoff, simply put, was not long enough. As much as you’d probably hate to hear this, you probably need at least 2-3 months off, cold turkey – if not longer. You might experience a slight additional gain at first, but the purpose of this layoff, of course, would be the deconditioning of your ultra-dense tunica (which is currently your limiting factor for further gains).

That’s a tough damn proposition – 2-4 months of no PE. But in your case, anything short of that might fail to return you to a gaining phase. And, as you correctly suspect, trying to make your PE even crazier will probably result in the destruction of your unit.

I have vowed to take at least 6 weeks off (my tunica is not as stubborn as yours, as I never did Ulis or Horse440’s, etc.). After my layoff, it’s DLD Blasters, BTL stretches, Pulse 110’s, Bundled Stretches, fowfers, and a lot of Tunica Fulcrum stretches. I’m going to pull that damn thing out as far as I can. I’ll probably throw in some hanging as well, when I have the privacy available. I believe that at least 90% of a PE’ers length goals should be reached before embarking on serious girth work – in my opinion. And even the girth work can’t be too crazy. Probably post-workout engorged wrapping is a good way around this.

- w a d

This is one reason I wonder if actually most folks are overtraining in PE. I can only go by what folks are telling us to do since they have been doing it for longer. I use to workout like a madman, but I split up my workouts different(still workout pretty hard) and I’m still getting pretty much same strength gains(I changed up my workout to a different split, was overtraining).

I think what I’m gonna try doing, when I get a little further into PE, is try working with higher weights instead of longer time. If indeed it is having to repair itself and we aren’t just trying to benefiting from some kind of deformation, then it doesn’t make sense to me to PE like suggested. If it is deformation then I’ll probably try some ADS stuff.

I guess one of the reasons it is so hard to figure what ways work the best is because we have so many different people with different circumstances. Things like lig tightness and LOT are so different from person to person. Anyway, I plan on trying the above things later in my PE career; first I would like to hit 7”NBP(5 3/4” NBP for now, so prob gonna be awhile).

Yet again Wad you have hit the nail on the head!

I know I am going to be called names for stating this but, I think 90%+ of people over train while PEing.

Heres why.

I have made what I consider impressive gains in length in the time I have been Peing.

I started on the 12 th of October, 2003 with a bpel of 5.04 inches

I last measured on the 17 th of February, 2004 and had a bpel of 6.77 inches

So thats a gain of 1.73 inches in 4 months!

And heres the clincher. I HAVE NEVER, I REPEAT, NEVER EXERCISE FOR MORE THAN 15 MINUTES PER DAY!!

Until now its been manual stretching and wet jelqs. I’m now going to start a little hanging with the wench (finished her today!) as I have got a bit of a baseball dick happening and would like to even it out a little before it gets out of hand.

I am a firm believer in not overdoing it, and taking adequate rest breaks. I am still amazed at the mentality of some people who, when they hit a plateau, simply increase the intensity and duration of their workouts in a misguided hope that gains will then come.

If you dick is too damaged to recover fast enough or your tunica could form part of a bullet proof vest, take a break!

It worked for me. I hit a plateau, HARD. The gains I noted above aren’t really indicative of the speed of my gains as I was stuck at 6.53 inches for 2 MONTHS (Including my break).

Maybe I’m just the luckiest PE’r on the planet with the speed of my gains. Or maybe the stuff Wad has been spruking for ages has merit!

I know I’m going to be called a liar, and I have no why of proving my gains. I don’t care. If just one newbie (I’m still one!) carefully monitors their workload to prevent over training and takes a break after hitting a plateau and then keeps on gaining, I will be happy.

I’m here at Thunders to share my experiences, good and bad, with my mates. Some people will like me, some will hate me. Thats OK.

What happened to me leads me to believe that this is true. I was on a plateau for months then took 2 weeks off due to a busy workload period and I gained 0.25” in length when I resumed PE. Those 2 days off every week are also important

I find for girth less is better a 20-30 minute jelq/squeeze workout 5 days a week is all you need. Now with length it’s the opposite stretch that bad boy as much as possible, to get length gains I have to hang for 10 or more hours a week.

Shit man, that’s some impressive gains! You’ve gained more EL in 4 months than I have in 18 months. :-(

But I’m convinced that this 6-week layoff will get me back on track. Then I’m going to do lots of stretching AND hanging. I really only want about another 1.25” EL, and I’m determined to get it. When I’m there, I might just go for another 0.25” to hit the Big 9. :)

Thanks Wad,

I also find it hard to believe, and it’s my dick!

I think that the lay off will do wonders for you (here’s hoping!). I’m also starting to do a little hanging (first session last night). This morning I woke up and my dick felt..um..different? Has anyone else felt that after hanging for the first time? Maybe I over did it a little, but I don’t think so (1 set 12 min with 3 pounds and 1 set 15min with 4.5 pounds)

I don’t really know why it is I’ve gained so quickly. When I compare my routine to others, the Intensity is similar, but my over all time spent PEing is a lot lower. This is (I guess) the key for me. Maybe no one else in the civilised world could gain on what I do. I don’t know.

I’m just trying to get the point across that maybe some people are not gaining because they are over exercising, not because of lack of effort or intensity.

I also had quick gains doing limited PE. I attribute it to having high tight ligs that were quickly stretched to release my existing shaft away from my body so that it could be measured. I’ll never know for sure, as that was all pre-LOT theory.

Bib’s too slow, dammit… :)

RB,

You make a good point. My quick gains my also be attributed to high tight ligs and again pre-Lot theory for me too. I think that you are probably right though as virtually all my stretching and jelqs were at a down ward angle of some kind

Ironically, my own PE career took some odd twists. During the first 4.5 months, I gained just under an inch EL and a lot of EG - also by just doing about 20-25 minutes, every other day. Then I started getting complacent, lazy, and begin missing a lot of workouts. I PE’ed very sporadically for the longest while, then the gains dried up. I bet at times I routinely missed 3-4 weeks straight.

I became disgusted and began training too intensely. When I eased up a bit, I did manage another 1/2” EL. Certain family problems and my ever-changing work schedule kept me away from PE for awhile.

In recent months, I tried to rededicate myself, and ended up hitting an uncemented 7.6”-plus EL. Then I backed off again & lost it. Also had a scary lig injury this past Halloween.

Most recently, I had been doing some very intense stretching, but my diet had been bad & I began smoking again (after quitting for 3 years). After this 6-week layoff, I’m going to be doing some wholesale changes. Already got a gym membership, am quitting smoking & going to lose 20-40 lbs, hoping to get back some energy.

I’ll be concentrating heavily on length (stretching & hanging), because I want to nail that final 1-1.5” of EL - soon. Then I’ll hit girth a little more, get it back up to about 6.3” midshaft, 6.75” base.

Damn, a post devoted specifically to me! This is the first one, I think, that has been started with me in particular in mind. That makes it Metal Ed 1, TwatTeaser 3,107.

>>>>>>>>But regarding your posts about the layoff and your now-stronger tunica, I don’t believe you discredited my layoff theory – I believe you substantiated my theory that mega-intense PE is counterproductive. Consider….

I actually never sought out to discredit your theory, especially since I’ve not got a better one to propose! You’re still the man in my book.

>>>>>>>Your super-intense PE transformed your tunica into a Kevlar vest. You saw some slight gains during the layoff because you were obviously no longer overtraining. So, you experienced full recovery, followed by the subsequent supercompensation (i.e., additional strengthening of the tunica). Even though you had been overtraining, you were still receiving some strengthening in the tunica – just not complete supercompensation. The 1-month layoff, simply put, was not long enough. As much as you’d probably hate to hear this, you probably need at least 2-3 months off, cold turkey – if not longer. You might experience a slight additional gain at first, but the purpose of this layoff, of course, would be the deconditioning of your ultra-dense tunica (which is currently your limiting factor for further gains).

You may well be right, and it has occured to me that one month simply wasn’t enough time off. The first tip off was that my erections still felt damn hard - harder than I could ever recall they were before PE.

I believe you’re correct - the month off simply allowed some tissue supercompensation to occur, resulting in a bigger, stronger unit; but it wasn’t long enough to allow decompensation.

It seems that my life circumstances will probably force me into quitting PE sooner or later, regardless of whether or not I want to. Between my classwork, finishing up collecting the data for my thesis, and actually WRITING the damn thing, I won’t have time for 5 days a week of PE anyway. Not for the next 6 months.

I am, though, going to try something before resigning myself to going cold turkey. At the moment I have some time to still do some PE 3 days a week. I’m going to PE 3 x a week for the next two months and see if taking 4 rest days per week helps jumpstart my growth (in much the same way that I reduce my workout volume when I plateau in the gym).

If in two months I still haven’t seen at least little growth, then I’m quitting entirely until all my thesis work is done. That would equate to 4 months of rest time.

>>>>>>I have vowed to take at least 6 weeks off (my tunica is not as stubborn as yours, as I never did Ulis or Horse440’s, etc.).

Maybe - but you’ve got them meat hooks hanging from your elbows. 8.25” wrists? The pressure that you must be able to exert on your dick must be huge.

Anyway, it’s cool of you to write a thread specifically trying to help me. At 8 x 6, it’s awesome that someone even thinks that I actually *deserve* to be helped. Hopefully others who have turned their dicks into steel have benefitted from reading this too.

Now, about that Barry Bonds…..

-Ed

I also get to thinking about my early routines. I keep a PE diary, and I was looking it over the other day.

I see from my diary that I started injecting partially erect bends (throwing them in with my squeezes) all the way back in my second month of PE! What a mistake that was.

I remember how freaking fat my dick looked the first time I did bends. I can recall exactly how bloated it looked the first time I bent it - the image is still in my head. I think it got longer, too, from bending. I guess I fell in love with seeing it blow up like that. I know that I kept throwing *partial* bends into my routines whenever I did squeezes. (Heck, I even did them with the cable clamp on, blood spots be damned).

I rationalized it by thinking that the bending was “gentle” - you know, because I wasn’t hitting a 90 degree angle. Yeah right. That was real bright.

Nowadays, I do a partial bend and it never swells up like it used to.

Maybe the bends helped a lot with getting some good early gains (+.75 x .3 first 4 months), but clearly my dick has become a totally different animal over the last few months.

Nah, wasn’t implying that you “needed” help, it’s just that you offer a lot of help and ideas here - as do many others - and your experiment certainly got me thinking about my own stubborn plateau. That 4 months off cold-turkey might get you into a stunning phase of growth…who knows?

Ah, about Bonds….I’m looking more right than ever. His personal trainer, and childhood friend, has been busted for providing roids to “professional athletes.” For the first time, another MLB player (a pitcher) publicly accused Bonds of roid use, suggesting that it was “obvious.”

What Bonds has going for him is the piss-poor joke of MLB’s steroid “policy.” Also, he nailed that shocking 73-dinger season, he certainly doesn’t have to repeat it. He probably saw the writing on the wall and quit the juice - as evidenced by his subsequent return to 40-HR seasons (not bad, of course, for most players - but dismal for “The Greatest Baseball Player of All Time”).
:)

>>>>>>What Bonds has going for him is the piss-poor joke of MLB’s steroid “policy.” Also, he nailed that shocking 73-dinger season, he certainly doesn’t have to repeat it. He probably saw the writing on the wall and quit the juice - as evidenced by his subsequent return to 40-HR seasons (not bad, of course, for most players - but dismal for “The Greatest Baseball Player of All Time”).

Okay, but who hits harder with a baseball bat: Bonds, or Shelley Duvall ?

What you are saying about the layoff make perfect sense. I have been peing hard since june of 2003 and seen some gains of about.5 inches in the first couple of months amd then nothing..Just harder erections sometimes. I spend between 1 - 3 hours a day with jelqs and stretches all manual. I was very disapponted needless to say with the little gains and am wondering of there is somthing that am doing wrong. I thought the more the better for gains. But this has given me some insight. The ligaments attaching to the penis to the pubic bone have grown very strong. I can stretch it out to about 6.5 inches..but it will quicly revert back to its original size. I am taking a herbal supplement that does help some with erctions but it is not the god send I thought it would be..so any comments would be appreciated..how long should I take off..it will be hard to do..since this has become an obsession with me..I’m getting older and don’t have much time for a big penis and would love to have one..

John