PE and Growth Hormone

I’m in my mid-50’s too. Do a lot of weight training as well. Related to that, I’d say Testim 1% has improved my strength only a little - for example, my DL went from 375 to 405 and that could have been nothing more than just normal progression. After about 4 months - the last bit of stubborn belly fat that I had at 14/15% BF dropped off with no changes to diet or exercise. I really don’t care that much about that aspect. What I care about is how I feel now - so much sharper and more content with life. All that said - I was very low in free testosterone for my age and I wouldn’t consider it unless one tested very low - then you have to weigh the risk/reward. All my other full panel test results from last week are great. I definitely wouldn’t take it just to make my dick bigger - just interested to see if there’s any correlation.

Which HGH and dosage did you take? Were you low in Test when you started?

I’ve abused steroids and growth hormone, and done so while doing PE. I’ve used as much as 45iu of legit high quality GH in one day, and there were months where I was averaging 20iu per day, along with around 2 to 2.5 grams of AAS per week.

The drugs increased my sex drive, and the hardness of and frequency of erections,but never once did they ever make me grow any faster from PE.

And I ended up having congestive heart failure as a result.

Go ask any bodybuilder (or just look at the posing trunks of professional bodybuilders) - steroids and growth hormone do not cause a growth in penis size.

You are exactly correct about your statements. But why in the world you were using such high doses?? No pro bodybuilder will ever use 45iu of GH. There is a point in which more makes no difference. Not to mention how in the hell could you afford something like that and no insurance would cover that amount. A 45iu pen of Norditropin for example runs at around $250. That means you were injecting $250 of just GH per day!! You gotta be literally a millionaire for that.

, the provider on pm has top shelf GH for less than $100, at around 150iu per kit. I had purchased a couple thousand dollars worth, and then I won a contest from another sponsor for $1000 free product, and I already had several hundred ML of various AAS, so I took $1000 worth of GH. I had a mini fridge packed full of kits. In hindsight, obviously it was an unnecessary amount. I could have got the same effects in terms of fat loss using 3iu a few times a day, and I could have gotten more muscle growth using around 10iu per day and just using more AAS. But if I could do it again, I wouldn’t do either. Back then I was living loose and wreckless and just trying to be as freaky as I could. I did get to a point where I basically looked like a professional, but it wasn’t worth it. I think people actually like the way I look better now smaller anyways.

I know the provider. I confused when you said “high quality GH” with FDA approved GH. I personally believe that FDA approved GH is far superior to any generic GH, and after trying many generics now I only stick to a Dr. Prescription Saizen.

Still, for fat loss you dont even need 3iu few times a day, you just need 3-4iu a day period. Thats it. No need for more. Pro’s will go to 6-8iu maybe even 10iu a day if theyre combining with insulin which is pretty much suicide. Same with AAS, there is absolutely no need to use more than 2 grams a week. And 2 grams is already a VERY high dose.

I know this is off topic my my whole discussion in bodybuilding forums has always been that culturally the sport in our country is completely fucked up. It is in a decline, at least the bodybuilding category. As a country, we have the filthy culture that everybody thinks they know what they are doing when in reality they dont know shit. People watch youtube, read forums and “copy” what they heard form others or what they read. The do their “homework” and prepare their own cycles, routines and diet. And if anybody come to criticize, “how dare!”, “I did my research”. BS. In other counties that are far ahead in the future, everybody hires a coach. And a real coach. Not an ex convict who cant get a job anywhere and got a certification online and all himself a “coach” Im talking about somebody who went to university for a BA and has multiple certifications after that plus experience with athletes.

I personally have a professional coach, I know many coaches, I know several athletes men and women.

Anyways, I am truly glad you are off all that. And if you ever want to go back into body shaping, you can regain most of what you had at some point with one tiny fraction of what you once used.

Yes and no. I agree that low dosages is all a guy needs to look great. But looking great and looking like you can compete for a sandow are two different things. I wasn’t trying to look great.

Our threads tend to drift…I too would like more info on this. I think there is a sweet spot with triggering growth. I think that you have to have the right amount of stimulus, but not so much that the body is too focused on “damage”. Then you have to have the resources to put toward that stimulus. I also think that the body will prioritize what it send resources to, so for PE, I think it will get what is left over after everything else is repaired.

I don’t do anything “gear-wise”. Just foods, hydration and some multivitamins, with a few herbs. In my experience, PE goes better when training, not question at all. But that is only when really fueling the body. When I try to lean down, the PE results diminish. Seen several cycles of this. So I think, if the “conditions for growth” are not right, we are wasting time no matter how good our PE program is.

I read this forum a lot, but I don’t know the biology and physics of PE any where near what others on here do. Others are also much smarter than me. My “lane for discussion” is only from what works or doesn’t for me. So, just a little disclaimer.

This is what I am currently doing for Growth Conditions, balanced with 4 days per week heavy gym training:
Try to get 9 hours of sleep, with a Power Nap in the afternoon
Calorie surplus and lots of hydration
Protein drinks, multivitamins, collagen, fish oil
PE pill
ADS weight use before and after PE. Also for targeted PE recovery
PE recovery under elongation: light scraping, vibration, adding in red light

Tweaked this over time, but still feel there is more work to do here.

I used growth hormone when I was actively stretch my penis and it had no effect on my growth rate.