PE and Growth Hormone

Recently, I’ve done some reading about the relationship between exercise and the human growth hormone. I’m now redesigning part of my workout to maximize my body’s production of growth hormone. I’ll get back to this in a second.

It is my belief that the penis will only grow as large as the body will support. When I say this, I mean that I believe that if circulation, general health, hormones, etc. are not at the appropriate levels, then attempt to grow beyond whatever the maximum size that the body can support will be futile. I also believe that if growth is achieved past what the body can sustain, gains will be lost when training stops. For that reason, I don’t believe in using supplements to boost gains because it seems that those gains would be a lot more easily lost when PE is stopped than gains made without supplements. I have no real evidence to support this theory, it just seems to make sense to me and I know the same is true when it comes to physical exercise.

My question is does anyone have any knowledge of whether growth hormone affect PE gains? It’s well established that GH is a must for growth in other areas of the body so it would make sense that this could only positively benefit penis size.

Thoughts?

I have thought a bit about Testosterone or Growth Hormone and have wondered if the increased healing capacity of a body running hot on exogenous hormones would be a DETRIMENT to PE.

If I am stretching a tissue to cause temporary breakdown to allow reformation, wouldn’t faster healing, and maybe increased formation of scar tissue, be counter-productive?

I seem to have had more success at PE in my 30’s than 20’s and I have used various gear in the past, but no longer. I was never able to keep my ligs so sore when I was young. But I may not have been stretching correctly then- this was pre-Thunders. It’s hard to say(not much help:) )

Maldo

That is what BIB was saying as I remember. In ‘weak’ condition of his health he would gain faster than when he was ‘healthy’ and ‘full of vitamins’(etc). So maybe things like HGH would only make us ‘stronger’ and harder to break tissues.

I do think it’s a sound theory, but let’s not forget that increasing muscle mass is different than increasing the penile tissue.

You wouldn’t jog 5 miles to increase muscle mass, but you would for PE, to increase bloodflow.

PE is all about bloodflow, and increasing the tissue chambers to allow for MORE bloodflow. That’s why we stretch (to elongate the chambers), and why we jelq (to spread them out).

Building muscle works on a different premise IMO because it’s all about feeing the muscle with protein and other nutrients like your natural creatine, which you would find in steaks, chicken, fish, etc.

Whereas the penile tissue doesn’t need to be fed a special diet other than your natural hormones and blood, which can be aided by a balanced diet rather than a protein rich diet.

Just my POV.

OTOH, regarding the body’s GH, a guy doing very heavy lifts, his body is in a very stressed state.

So, while he maybe chocked full of vitamins, minerals, yadda, yadda, he is still borderline over stressed physically.

I actually have to schedule cutting my grass because of the stressful nature of my gym workouts. I was worn out after cutting it a few days ago. It only amounted to about 52 minutes of cardio, but I could feel it when I woke up the next day.

So whether being in a stressed state, or having the body on decent amount of GH (I am thinking more natural than supplemented) a heavy work out should fall into both categories.

Of course, we are talking about maximized efforts, say, after newbie/easy gains are used up. At that point, an optimized routine - as best that can be determined (obvious murky) - would be needed for further progress. Thing is, we are just guessing based on what some good gainers have posted. Not that is bad, it really is all we have to go on.

It would help it the things posted by those sources were true. Different people have different opinions about Bib and his gains. Personally, I can’t say. Some of his posts seemed to have made sense when I look over some of the history he left here. OTOH, no one has posted similar gains - other than DLD.

Of course, most people regard DLD as completely full of sh*t and generally off his rocker..

So we are left with trying to make sense of it all from what other seemingly (and I am not implying anything) credible posters have posted. Then adding or subtracting from that..?

:shrug:

I am not sure about that…IMO PE is about making ‘damage’ to your penis and allowing it to heal and rebuild it in any ‘better way’(in a way that allows body to avoid ‘damage’ again…making dick longer or girthier). That is why I wrote that ‘weak’ body state may help in some way with PE. At least this is one of the theories.

I tried once to PE while eating proteins and vitamins for month and did not find any improvement…But it may work different for others. I wonder too if HGH can help with PE.

Just for the record, I wasn’t talking about supplemental growth hormone, but trying to increase what the body naturally produces.

Yea the whole thing is really confusing.

The dick has smooth muscle, but does it react the same way?

Who knows.

I think the best thing to do is increase bloodflow naturally (exercise, good diet, avoid stress), and treat “penis-building” like you would body-building, since it should be just a regular part of your life anyway.

We don’t go all nutty and womanly-neurotic over lifting shit at the gym right? So why PE?

I’ve been on TRT for just over four months now - Testim 1% daily and noticed around the second or third month that I’m more of a shower than a grower - I was low in free test, it may not do the same for someone that isn’t low. No more turtle - my BPEL is 6.5” and my NBPFL is 5” now, before TRT is was 3”. So, my first hand experience is that increased testosterone has a direct relationship to at least NBPFL. FWIW, I have been a heavy weightlifter for many years, have a clean diet, don’t drink or smoke and get plenty of sleep.

That’s fascinating! Almost makes me wanna get on TRT just to see if that’s purely anecdotal for you or something others could duplicate.

Have been eating healthier and working out lately myself and coincidentally noticed better hang, but had attributed it to some light manual stretching I was also doing. Wondering if some increased T (from lifting and cutting out T-killing food) is coming into play as well.

Can’t know when our body is the lab and so many variables are present but that observation is golden especially if it has been observed by others. Others?

I’m not a doctor - I’m just reciting experience and what I’ve read on the internet - so take it for one more data point - nothing more please.

I’m told, and believe that there’s a sweet spot for T levels - more is not always better so - I would guess (and it is a GUESS) that it would only change things if you have low T or near that, then you increase it with TRT to a normal range. Only way to tell is to get Regular and Free Testosterone tests done at a lab. If you’re serious about trying it, that’s the first step. It also took about three to four months before I noticed much change in that way. It helped immensely in other ways almost immediately though - sleep, general positive feeling, and libido. I was borderline low when I started and getting a follow-up test to see where I am next week. I’ll report back if you’re interested.

Before TRT, I was ~15% body fat - no real changes to my exercise and maybe eating a little more and after four months I’m about 13% body fat - seems easier to maintain. I’ve also felt a lot stronger in the gym lately - worked on muscle ups for a couple years and only could get one - then a couple weeks ago I was able to do as much as two in a set and five in one session - my deadlift, bench and squats are all back to what they were four years ago before knee replacement.

Anyway - I’m not selling the idea of TRT, but for me it was a game changer in ways that are much more important than hang length (although I love that too)!

One more note on TRT. Today I noticed that my nipples are also fuller - not growing man boobs, just not as dried out and more plump. Not sure it matters, but thought it may be related in some way IDK?

Got my TRT test results back over the weekend and learned that I’ve jumped from very bottom of normal at 9am to very high normal at 3pm.

Aside from all the PE aspects - if you’re low or symptomatic this stuff changes your life for the better. I am so happy I started TRT.

I do a lot of weight training. Mid 50s now. In my late 40s I did HGH. Of course it was good for weight training - not sure how much of a difference it really made, because placebos are powerful and it made me work out harder thinking recovery would be faster (which I am not sure it did).

BUT -and take this as anecdotal evidence because I am not sure if there were other factors at work- a year into doing HGH, my PSA levels jumped to over 3.4, which scared the eff out of me. I stopped HGH -nothing else- made diet adjustments -far less red meat- and less than a year later my PSA was back to normal. There are studies that seem to indicate HGH also accelerates tumor growth, and that’s why the human body slows down production as we age… but it’s not conclusive.

Not taking it hasn’t made much of a difference in my body composition: 10 years later… quite possibly I am stronger. And after a phase where I got up to 235lbs a few years ago, I am down to 215 again at 6’1 with a 50 inch chest and 34 inch waist - which I want to get down to 32-33 again. And the equipment works just fine. :-D

I don’t believe growth hormone, and or taking Testosterone is going to affect growth or lack of there of.

Smooth muscles are not the same both in density of tissue fibers, and of nutrient composition.

What has been proven is low weights and time under tension. The goal is to avoid the refractory period while in that state of tension.

Another thing, that affects growth is healing in a stretched state vs a turtled state.

The only thing that would be affected if you went to unnatural test and growth hormone would be testicular shrinkage. Which would return to normal after taking a clomid or novidex. Also if you have super hi suppression of estrogen you will encounter erection issues, and or breast tissue issues called gyno. Because you need both in a balanced state for bodily functions.

The more you enhance your testosterone unnaturally the more the body will produce estrogen to combat the over abundance of testosterone

I personally think this theory has some merit. I’ve been incredibly dedicated to my lifting for awhile now. After getting back into PE, it seems the consistency and my elevated levels of GH may have something to do with my progress.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not growing an inch over night or anything. I can just tell I’m making faster strides now than when I was more dedicated to PE. With my insanely active lifestyle now, I sleep harder than ever. Rest is very important for GH secretion. I think this is what has been helping me.