Sick and tired of slow or no gains

40 days manual stretching and jelqing = no gains

Until now, I am with you no gainers -.-“

There must be something that us no-gainers/little gainers have in common,

I’ve spend too much time pulling on junior this year to not figure this out. Is this site jus a gag! I doubt it—to many gainers here. I’ve gone back and forth with enough of them to know that they are not employees of some internet marketing group taking advantage of guys with smaller PPs. There is, however, quite a bit of that going down.

OK, guys lets figure this out - age, size, routine, consistency, genetics, activity level, sexual frequency, blood type, race, lot, girth/length ratio, flacid/erect ratio, shoe size, tounge width, mothers maiden name, scientology case level, political beliefs,,,,,must be something here….

n2growing,

I believe that I am a hard gainer also, at least as concerns length, which has been my focus since starting PE. You speak about a 1/4”-1/2” initial gain, which, hey, is something! I gained an initial 3/8” from hanging. My time and privacy situation then changed, and I had to switch to a manual stretching and jelqing routine. (I also experienced some nerve damage from hanging that influenced me to try stretching instead.) I’ve been on this current routine for four months +, yet I’ve seen no length increase during that time. The funny thing is that my unit looks and feels a bit longer. I was certain I was gaining something. But nada.

So I’m going to start hanging again too. Fingers crossed that I don’t have further nerve problems doing so. This time, I’m going to begin hanging by focusing on the tunica. My LOT is about 7:30. I know your LOT is 8:00, and I’d definitely stick with what you’re currently doing for now, especially if this is on Bib’s advice. However, I wouldn’t hang up the hanging until you’ve given the tunica a real go. I think I’m going to begin with hanging straight out with a fulcrum. Others have said this is an advanced technique for hard gainers. I’ll then try OTS. Then I’ll go back to the ligs. I’ll start with lighter weights but will move up to heaver weights when necessary and appropriate. I presume in you past efforts you’ve done hanging for the tunica. Can you give more details about this?

Three further points:

One, if I fail to gain (much) further in length, I’m going to focus exclusively on girth. Again, trying all the tricks—but without any length exercises. I’ve also gained about 1/4” + in girth, without this being a focus. So perhaps I’ll have better luck there. Have you done anything like this in the past four years? Personally, I’d rather have a shorter, thick rod than a shorter, slim rod.

Two, though I’d certainly like to be a big gainer, I’m grateful for the gains I’ve received.

Three, as noted above, I really like the effects of manual stretching and jelqing, even though it didn’t produce any length gains. It certainly increased my flaccid length and hang. Mr. Happy was simply fuller and happier all the time. I also clamp from time to time, which I find very enjoyable. So, even with no further gains, I’d keep up these basic exercises. I would not spend all day doing them, but I’d work them into my daily routine. Hey, I go to the gym mostly to maintain the physique I now have. Dreams of looking like I did when I was 18 fade with time. But I enjoy the gym (and would do it even if I didn’t enjoy it) even though I’m only maintaining the slowly declining status quo. I’d do the same with PE.

I wish you much success. Your persistence is admirable. Don’t give up yet.

It’s hard to say exactly how much I’ve gained from hanging. I dabbled with it starting a few months into PE, but didn’t hang seriously until later. I was stuck at 6.5” for months, and manual stuff wasn’t getting me anywhere. Hanging took me from there to my current 7.25”. I didn’t hang consistently all that time. When I did for months on end I gained roughly 1/16” per month. I get more in the first month or so after a break - a full 1/4” in about 6 weeks last time. I haven’t hung in almost a year and am anxious to get back to it. Length gains come a lot harder for me now than in the early days, but I don’t consider myself a length hard gainer. Girth is a different story. :(

4 months is long enough for a test. You might try a different angle than you’ve used before, maybe OTS or fulcrum. I had good results switching to those after doing BTC almost exclusively.

>So I’m going to start hanging again too. Fingers crossed that I don’t have further nerve problems doing so.

If by this you mean numbness, reducing set time to the 10-15 minute range helps a lot. Also, get in the habit of touching your head often during a set to check sensitivity. End the set immediately if it starts to go numb. If you catch it soon like this there shouldn’t be any long-lasting numbness. However, you will get nerve damage if you hang for very long while numb. A few minutes makes a big difference.

> I think I’m going to begin with hanging straight out with a fulcrum. Others have said this is an advanced technique for hard gainers. I’ll then try OTS.

I had to combine fulcrum and OTS because I couldn’t do very many fulcrum sets. Keep them to no more than 10-15 minutes because circulation is reduced. I think Jelktoid also said he only did a few fulcrum sets per session. For that 1/4” spurt I gradually worked into something like:

Morning:
hot bath warmup
4 sets turned fulcrum, alternating sides
3-4 sets OTS

Evening
3-4 sets OTS

I used a rice sock for heat during every set. Don’t take any more days off than absolutely necessary - ride the fatigue. I only took 2 or 3 off.

Did any of you try or read about the Around the World STRELQ ?

I continued on, because its only such a small time out of my day and can have good results if they work.

Thanks Hobby. Yes, it was a numbness problem both times. I’ll try reducing the set time.

When you hang with a fulcrum, do you use a pulley or something else to pull your unit straight out over the fulcrum, or do you just let everything hang over the fulcrum?

I agree with what you say about not taking more days off than necessary. Unfortunately, my time and privacy are very limited right now. On most days I can sneak in about two hours of PE—on some days only one hour, or nothing at all. This is why I switched to a manual stretching and jelqing routine. But four months on this routine and no results in the length department. After reading your post on low-intensity, long-duration stretching vs. high-intensity, short-duration stretching (which I was very impressed by), I briefly tried doing the manual stretches with my Bib hanger, so as to maximize the duration of the stretch. This is when I got the second bit of nerve damage. Also, I figured I’d just try hanging again during the time I’ve got.

Mr. ZX-10R —- You have quite a ways to go before you can complain so get back to pe-ing and good luck.

Russell4 —- There must be something that us no-gainers/little gainers have in common.

>>> Yea bad luck, no really I wish one of us could find out and find out how to overcome it!

I’ve spend too much time pulling on junior this year to not figure this out. Is this site just a gag! I doubt it—to many gainers here. I’ve gone back and forth with enough of them to know that they are not employees of some Internet marketing group taking advantage of guys with smaller PPs. There is, however, quite a bit of that going down.

>>> Maybe the “Force” is with us, lol. I know I have a crap load of time into this I expect, no wait I demand some better results.

OK, guys lets figure this out - age, size, routine, consistency, genetics, activity level, sexual frequency, blood type, race, lot, girth/length ratio, flaccid/erect ratio, shoe size, tongue width, mothers maiden name, Scientology case level, political beliefs,,,,,must be something here….

>>> I’m in good shape (weights,sports and biking) and in good health I wonder how many guys in good to great shape make gains versus guys in fair to good shape. I am thinking the guys in fair to good gain better. It seems the guys that were or are overweight have gained very good!

motivated —-

I believe that I am a hard gainer also, at least as concerns length, which has been my focus since starting PE. You speak about a 1/4”-1/2” initial gain, which, hey, is something! I gained an initial 3/8” from hanging. My time and privacy situation then changed, and I had to switch to a manual stretching and jelqing routine. (I also experienced some nerve damage from hanging that influenced me to try stretching instead.) I’ve been on this current routine for four months +, yet I’ve seen no length increase during that time. The funny thing is that my unit looks and feels a bit longer. I was certain I was gaining something. But nada.

>>> The bad thing is the 1/4” - 1/2” is to me just getting back what I lost from when I was around 18. The nerve damage that you mention from hanging was it just numbness on the right side of your penis. Good job on the 3/8” also and it it looks and feels a bit longer isn’t that great even if it doesn’t measure longer.

So I’m going to start hanging again too. Fingers crossed that I don’t have further nerve problems doing so. This time, I’m going to begin hanging by focusing on the tunica. My LOT is about 7:30. I know your LOT is 8:00, and I’d definitely stick with what you’re currently doing for now, especially if this is on Bib’s advice. However, I wouldn’t hang up the hanging until you’ve given the tunica a real go. I think I’m going to begin with hanging straight out with a fulcrum. Others have said this is an advanced technique for hard gainers. I’ll then try OTS. Then I’ll go back to the ligs. I’ll start with lighter weights but will move up to heaver weights when necessary and appropriate. I presume in you past efforts you’ve done hanging for the tunica. Can you give more details about this?

>>> I have hung at all the angles but I didn’t focus on one angle enough and I used what Bib called the shot-gun approach and now I’m doing more of .308 Winchester approach “very accurate on the ligs”. I did just order the original Bib and I just bought the supplies for the Capt’s Wench so I will exhaust all efforts in hanging.

Three further points:

One, if I fail to gain (much) further in length, I’m going to focus exclusively on girth. Again, trying all the tricks—but without any length exercises. I’ve also gained about 1/4” + in girth, without this being a focus. So perhaps I’ll have better luck there. Have you done anything like this in the past four years? Personally, I’d rather have a shorter, thick rod than a shorter, slim rod.

>>> I agree but I don’t want thickness to make it appear shorter, but I will also try more girth work. I have done pumping, clamping etc to no luck so far though.

Two, though I’d certainly like to be a big gainer, I’m grateful for the gains I’ve received.

>>> Sure anything is great but “more is better” right.

Three, as noted above, I really like the effects of manual stretching and jelqing, even though it didn’t produce any length gains. It certainly increased my flaccid length and hang. Mr. Happy was simply fuller and happier all the time. I also clamp from time to time, which I find very enjoyable. So, even with no further gains, I’d keep up these basic exercises. I would not spend all day doing them, but I’d work them into my daily routine. Hey, I go to the gym mostly to maintain the physique I now have. Dreams of looking like I did when I was 18 fade with time. But I enjoy the gym (and would do it even if I didn’t enjoy it) even though I’m only maintaining the slowly declining status quo. I’d do the same with PE.

>>> I wouldn’t have a problem doing a maintenance routine that would be a breeze to what I’m doing now.

I wish you much success. Your persistence is admirable. Don’t give up yet.

>>> Thank- you and I also wish you success as well and I won’t give up yet for I have only begun to fight for my gains!

Hobby
It’s hard to say exactly how much I’ve gained from hanging. I dabbled with it starting a few months into PE, but didn’t hang seriously until later. I was stuck at 6.5” for months, and manual stuff wasn’t getting me anywhere. Hanging took me from there to my current 7.25”. I didn’t hang consistently all that time. When I did for months on end I gained roughly 1/16” per month. I get more in the first month or so after a break - a full 1/4” in about 6 weeks last time. I haven’t hung in almost a year and am anxious to get back to it. Length gains come a lot harder for me now than in the early days, but I don’t consider myself a length hard gainer. Girth is a different story.

>>> 3/4” That would be one hell of jump start, that would get me all excited.

4 months is long enough for a test. You might try a different angle than you’ve used before, maybe OTS or fulcrum. I had good results switching to those after doing BTC almost exclusively.

>>> I will try the other ways for sure and that is inspiring knowing you got good gains after switching.

n2

We have to find this out it’s the only way forward! If other people have gained then there’s no reason that we shouldn’t is there?

I’ve seen many guys in the gym who just trained and didn’t gain muscle mass for years.
Through experimenting with techniques, weights, rest, eating etc they have found a way to gain.

If we found out the factors that might be inhibiting our gains then we could devise routines suited to us.

A new thread perhaps?

n2growing,

The numbness was along the top of the penis, not the right side; it was centered mostly on the upper top part of the shaft and top head, around the central nerve bundle. I think the idea of using the Winchester approach of focusing the hanging angles sounds wise. Best of luck with that. I hear you on the thickness issue, of not wanting the penis to appear shorter. Frankly, that’s the main (though not the only) reason I’m going for length right now, so that greater girth will not make me look like a stubby. I’m a firm believer that girth is what matters most for women; it’s common sense, really. I’m content with my length: I’m 7” now. I’d be very pleased to get to 8”, and I don’t think I’d ever want to be bigger than 9”. So another 1”+, then it’s all girth! Still, if I never get beyond 7”, I’m going for the girth, stubby or no stubby.

Of course, more is better, up to a point. I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t think that. But clearly it’s all too easy and unfortunately common for us men to obsess about penis size, just like women obsess about breast size. I think this is sad. I’m all for self improvement. I go to the gym; I eat well; I nurture my mind as well as my body. I like the idea of exercising my penis too, just as I exercise the rest of my body and my mind. And I understand and appreciate that a larger unit (in particular, a thicker unit), up to a point, is more pleasurable for a woman. But I’ve met very few women, and I’ve never dated or slept with one, for whom a big dick was a matter of any real importance. Similarly, though I’m a breast man, the size of a woman’s breast has never been a factor in determining my feelings for a woman. I’ve been in great relationships with large-breasted women and small-breasted women. That there are men for whom a woman’s breast size is a decisive issue, and that there are women for whom a man’s dick size is a decisive issue, is indicative of the fact that there are people, both men and women, who are underdeveloped as human beings. Real people don’t rate these things so very highly. But small-minded men and women find each other and judge each other in this way and suffer accordingly. They also suppose that everyone is like this. Everyone is not. Just listen to what Anna Nimity has said here on a number of occasions. This is why I’m grateful for any increase I get.

>When you hang with a fulcrum, do you use a pulley or something else to pull your unit straight out over the fulcrum, or do you just let everything hang over the fulcrum?

I let it hang over the rod. This was ok up to about 10 lbs, but beyond that the rod pressed into my nut cords hard enough to be uncomfortable. SS4Jelq used a pulley.

>OK, guys lets figure this out - age, size, routine, consistency, genetics, activity level, sexual frequency, blood type, race, lot, girth/length ratio, flaccid/erect ratio, shoe size, tongue width, mothers maiden name, Scientology case level, political beliefs…

Tissue composition is probably a key variable, specifically the proportions of various goodies. I don’t know if anything can be done to address this. Maybe.

Thanks again Hobby.

Hobby, do you reckon the amount or size of veins could also be a factor. For example, I have a lot of veins on my penis, including one huge one running along the top. Maybe the excess blood that I squeeze into my penis is being flushed back out too quickly?

What about you other no-gainers?