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I think there may be some confusion here. The way I interpreted wad’s story was that his friend still had yet to reach nine. Also, he didn’t start up PE again until after wifey left. The two things are completely unrelated. Make a bit more sense now?

PS - Cap, thanks for the link. Already got a case on order :thumbs:

Awesome.

The best thing I’ve read since I found PE Forum (although Thunder’s is better :) that’s where I first discovered that PE was for real)

I believe it is possible, and this guy is probably putting in more hours than most anyone on this board…I admire the guy’s dedication…it’s also very possible the guy had a late growth spurt from Mother Nature…I have a friend who told me his nuts didn’t drop until late after everyone else’s did, and then he started to grow like a weed…he’s now a natural 8 1/4”…

I’d love to be able to pe 2.5 hours a day to get more gains. When I first started here I was doing about 60 minutes a day, and I seemed to be gaining. I just think doing less you would gain faster. Now I’m doing a routine that takes 1 hour, every 2 or 3 days. I seem to be growing faster doing it this way.

Also he could do his mass routine for like 14 days straight then take 7 off.

Another thing I was thinking is, he stretches after he jelqs. That is pretty unusual. When I next go for length I will try that way for a month or so and tell you guys how it goes.

Oh ya his gains lately from 7 to say 8.75 ish. Thats excellent but that might have been over like 2 years, which isn’t unthinkable. In fact a year from now I want to be at about 8.75 length, (I’m 7.75 now). Last year when I first started I was doing 1 hour stretching every 2 days, and I seemed to be gaining fast. Did it for about 1.5 months and gained about .5 inches in length. Oh ya I would jelq for 20 minutes after that to.

Really for me the question is how to get gains the fastest, I dont’ really care how much time and effort I have to put in.
What is your routine wadzilla I haven’t seen a progress report from you. It doesn’t seem like your current one is working too well.

I believe Wad’s story. There are those of us who do gain fast—with many hours of consistent routine. I started in October of 2003, a minimum of 90 minutes a day—sometimes longer. I rarely took a day off for three months—went from 7.75x6” to 10.50x7.25” in a little over four months. Now I’m just trying to maintain my gains. I have a gut feeling I could reach 12” but then for what purpose? I’m not going into the porn business. My basic routine was a ten minute warm-up, 30 to 60 minutes jelquing. In my third month, I added every stretch combo you can name. My initial gains of over an inch doubled when I started stetching. I think for most guys, if they spend this much time daily with the basic hand exercises, they won’t need to hang. Just my opinion.

Horsehung

Let me ask you something. Do you think that if you did this much volume, you would gain just as well? Or do you think you would be overtraining?

I know that I for one would not be able to cope with this much volume without overdoing it - probably very badly (like, injury and E.D. promoting badly).

Not too long ago I suggested to you that your friend may be an easy gainer. I know that someone who spends so many hours working towards his goal would probably resent being called an easy gainer.

But some people apparently can just PE without any rhyme or reason and gain. Others like you and me have to think about what we’re doing, plan and experiment until we find the correct methods *for us*.

I reckon your friend is to PE what some people are to bodybuilding. Some people pick up bodybuilding and suddenly get great gains from any old haphazard routine (like 5 to 7 inches in one year great gains). Their bodies just respond much faster than everyone else’s to the same stimulus. They’ll tell you it’s because they’re so committed, but they don’t bother to look around and note that plenty of other people seem to be doing more or less the same thing (alot of folks here use the sort of basic, simple, easy routine that your friend used his first year - and aren’t reporting any where near those kinds of gains) that they are doing and not getting half the results.

Then, some of these naturally gifted fast gainers become really dedicated and start training 6 - 7 days a week, doing elaborate, high volume Olympia-esque routines. Routines that would quickly overtrain 99% of us, and turn us into walking injuries, but for these guys, the muscle piles on just from touching the weights. And the more they do, the more they gain.

While the rest of us worry about finding the correct volume/intensity/frequency combinations, these guys just immediately respond to even very modest routines - and then they more they do, the MORE they respond. They pile on more work and get bigger and bigger while the rest of us have to worry about getting just the right amount of stimulus to see growth without going overboard and overtraining and seeing no growth. Doesn’t seem fair, but if you ask them, they’ll insist that they have no special gift - they’re just working harder and/or are more committed.

These guys become the Paul Dilletts, Lee Priests and Chris Cormiers of the world. Do they work hard? You bet. But do they also have genetic advantages that allow them to profit from routines that would never work for the rest of us? They’ll never admit it, but yes.

What if your friend is to PE what Arnold is to bodybuilding?

It’s not fair, but then again what the hell is. People will object to what I am about to say next. I saw Monster last week. It’s a true story about a woman who was brutally raped, beaten and molested from age 13 on. She had to start turning tricks at age 13 to support her family, because her dad blew his brains out. Then her brothers and sisters found out she was a prostitute, so they kicked her out on her own, ashamed of her. So from age 13 on, she was a prostitute with no family and no friends and no prospects for a better life.

Doesn’t seem fair. But I bet one could find a billion tragic stories just like hers. I really don’t think there is some higher power watching over all this shit and making sure that the rewards and punishments we all get in life are what we deserve. Think about it, injustice in PE seems pretty damn frivolous compared to some of the other gross inequities that exist in life. If someone thinks that everyone is rewarded equally for equal routines in PE - as if fairness was some sort of law of nature - then I have to wonder what kind of sick God is running this world, in which life can be so profoundly unfair in so many important ways - but it’s supposedly completely fair for something as frivolous as PE.

Don’t compare yourself to others. Not everyone can gain at the same rate. Concentrate on getting past your previous measurements - and who cares if you can’t do it as fast as some others. We’re lucky to even have working dicks that have to potential to keep getting bigger (even if it doesn’t happen as fast as we’d like). Life could be a WHOLE lot worse.

First, I don’t appreciate being called a liar. Perhaps you know all about “midlife crisis fantasy” (have you posted lies on this forum already?). Second, you didn’t even read the story correctly (maybe you were too busy jerking off). I never said she “couldn’t take it” and left at 7 inches. I said she told him to stop at 7” so he did. They subsequently split up - for whatever reason, I don’t know. Perhaps in his depression, he resumed PE. Again, I don’t know. Just don’t appreciate being called a liar. I remember the kid from h.s., and I know I saw what I saw.

Anyway….I saw the guy at the tournament, but his kid wasn’t doing well, so he was in a shitty mood. I know his kid was leading a match 6-0, but got cradled for the pin with only about 30 seconds left in the 3rd period. The guy was livid, so I didn’t mention any of this shit to him.

Oh, one more thing, somebody in this thread mentioned warmups. I do remember asking him if he used heat on it, or warmed it up in anyway, and he said he did not. Said he “spent enough time already” pulling & squeezing it.

As far as telling him about Thunder’s….I’m obviously a bit self-conscious to do this; as I’ve said, I didn’t even say to him directly that I do this myself. He’s also really outgained me (I was 1.5” EL longer than him in h.s., I PE’d an extra inch on top of that, but now he is almost 1.5” longer than me, EL). We also know a number of the same folks, and I wouldn’t want this shit circulating amongst those circles.

Ed, I hear what you’re saying. I used to think that gains over 2.25-2.5” were extremely rare (if even possible). But I am sure that this guy has gained in excess of 3.5-3.75” EL (and at least that much flaccid). And who knows, he may even get his tenner, and by then would have gained 5” EL. That would put him into the league with Bib, DLD, & YGuy.

But I would agree with you about the wildly varying genetic propensities - yes, similar in many ways to weight training. Some individuals have optimum white fiber:red fiber ratios, better anatomical leverages, hormonal outputs, as well as simply a better response to progressive resistance training - on the cellular level, etc. Some guys might bring similar advantages to the PE “table” - a more pliable tunica, very high LOT (and thus quick lig gains), better overall circulation, spongy tissues (CC/CS) which expand much and heal in the extended state, etc., etc.

But several things hit me about his routine: (1) He does it 7 days per week, (2) He puts in very high volume [reps & minutes of stretching], (3) He mentions no very high intensity stuff [ulis, horse440’s, etc.], (4) He jelqs first, until his unit is “blood red,” then does his stretches - is that more effective? and (5) He is generally fit and in good shape, watches his diet, does some running - but he is not particularly young to get those great gains [he’s 40].

I’m still taking my 6 weeks off, then I’m going to begin a similar routine - but I’m going to start very low, then gradually build my way up. Hell, I’m really only looking for one more damn inch! :(

Could it be that this guy exaggerated how much he does to make it sound more worthy? I know in bodybuilding some will say they did insane amounts to get as big as they are, to make it sound more like they ‘deserved’ it.

I dont’ really understand the warming up. I just start lightly thats my warmup. My whole body gets so hot that I have to open the window anyway and drink lots of water.

In bodybuilding while its true some can recover faster, there still is limits like 48-72 hours per muscle. And even the most hardcore steroid guy, working out more then 5 days a week would be nuts. Hell a lot of steroid guys I saw barely worked out, because they were effectively already getting the whole body anabolic response as it was.
You are exactly right about it being strange just how high volume he is. And the intensity, I don’t think to make the penis bigger really high intensity would be that good. I don’t know how he grips his penis after he does jelqing, maybe after 15 minutes its gripable enough?

I don’t buy the extended state healing either. After that workout, especialy because of the stretching afterwords his penis would be shrivelled up for sure. Which I think is a good thing. I am cold wrapping now and it is the bomb. After I am finished with all of my workout, my penis is smaller then when I first started and cold. (because of the cold wrap). Before when I stretched for an hour, my penis was really compacted. Then I jelqed, but it took quite a while jelqing before it was even back to normal size. So this guy I bet would be hella small after his 40 minutes stretching. Especialy two handed, which he probably worked up to.

I’m going to do my lesser volume workout for a few months, like 3. Then I’m going to do this workout for a while and see how it goes. I would also work up to it. Like start with 20 minutes jelqing a day, and 15 minutes stretching, then add a minute per day to both. Or a minute every few days. If it works do it for like 5 months then do another one. This guy probably doesn’t do the advanced shit because he doesn’t know about them. And as he said his gains slowed down after awhile, which is normal in any training. You have to change qualitatively after awhile to gain at the same speed.

Randolf, you state - “After I am finished with all of my workout, my penis is smaller then when I first started and cold. (because of the cold wrap). Before when I stretched for an hour, my penis was really compacted. Then I jelqed, but it took quite a while jelqing before it was even back to normal size.”

I am the complete opposite…after I stretch, I hang long and don’t shrivle at all…interesting the different reaction to it…I agree about the stretching after jelqing…there’s no way I could that as I am way too engorged to get my hand around it to get any kind of grip worth pulling…I get 7+ girth from a good jelq…weird how 8x7 looks short…

Wadzilla, I believe in the balloon theory…you know those long skinny baloons that clowns use to make animals…they stretch them first to make them longer and grow faster as them blow them up…I’ve always stretched first because of that, and the girth reason I stated above…

Also, I’ve done PE with and without heat warmups…it’s been my experience that the only advantage for me is that the warmups prevent bruising a little more than going cold…but after as many years as I’ve been doing this, I hardly bruise any more, even after a 2-3 hour session…

HJ

What a controversial thread….geez. In reference to what somebody said about this guy really working out that much, I don’t know. I’m a little suspicious about it, but DLD also used to put in several long daily sessions.

All that I can be sure of is that this guy basically tripled his flaccid size since the age of 18, and he probably did add between 3.5-3.75” erect length. And he says he did it in relatively quick time (the first 2”). And I wonder if the long layoff in between had deconditioned his tunica so that he was almost like a beginner again. Then he’s gained nearly another 2” since resuming PE - this time, he says, with that 2x/day workout of jelqs then stretches, & some rotary cranks, 7 days per week.

He didn’t even tell me where or how he stumbled onto this shit. But I can tell you the reason I’m sure he was small in h.s. - he was one of the few guys with a smaller flaccid than I had. Plain and simple. I was 6.5 (BPEL) x 5.2 (MSG) back then, but my flaccid was usually 3” or less. He was one of several unlucky guys with a smaller limp than me. Now, his flaccid is almost the size of my BPEL.

Could he have had surgery? I doubt it - his cock looked very uniform and didn’t have the appearance of being cut up. Could he have done a pre-pump? Possible, but the weigh-ins were right after work. Unless he pumped at work….I don’t know, I’m not a pumper. But he had a wild pube jungle, and don’t most pumpers shave that area for a better seal? Also, his unit was not red or discolored, but looked like a normal BIG flaccid.

Well, I’ve told all that I know about his gains & his alleged methods. Maybe there’s something in his story that each of us can get a piece of. For me, I’m sticking with my 6 weeks cold turkey, then I’m coming back every other day. I’m going to do jelqs, tunica fulcrum stretches, A-Stretches & fowfers. I’m going to gradually increase the volume and, later, the number of days I workout each week. I’m going to give this a good run. If I don’t get my last 1” then I’m going to put in all the hours I can hanging.

Sounds like a good idea Wad. I am planning to take 4 weeks off every 6 months. I do that in BB, to make sure ‘everything heals up back to normal’. I didn’t think about the deconditioning aspect though.

I’m almost as excited to see how you do when you get back as you are lol, j/k. But seriously I am expecting you to start gaining again, that is pretty normal to stop gaining in things if you haven’t taken an extended break for a while.

Wow excellent girth hugh. What girth are you non-jelqed? I was thinking of the lubrication from jelqing would make it hard to get a grip. I know the balloon theory, I wonder if the penis is more pliable for stretching after a long jelq session. That would make sense too. In reality both would be good I bet.

My “normal” girth fluctuates between 6 to 6 1/4…is a tad over 6 1/2 at the base…if I had to describe it, I would say the shape of Peter North, but the angle of TT Boy…not comparing size, mind you, just shape…my head is bigger than the shaft though…I’ve always been told I have a huge head…