Surgery

In reality, I think you would be pointing at your toes with your ligs cut no matter what your erection angle is now. But, so long as your unit worked well, that is hardly an insurmountable problem. In fact, with her on top, she’d have a whole lot more movement flexibility without causing you any pain at all then.

The money part is so highly relative. When a 20 yr old starlet can carry a US$16,000 handbag into the Oscar presentations and that gets serious press, I wonder and don’t wonder about our lifestyle priorities. A longer dick will certainly outlast that purse, and feel a whole lot better in somebody’s hand.

PEst,

I think you should probably get more informed opinions from dick surgery centers around the country or even in the US. Just look up the many websites and read as much as you can so that you can ask more questions if you get to the face to face interview process with a prospective surgeon.

No offense to my brethren here but it only seems natural to defend the virtues of natural penis enlargement at a natural penis enlargement website. The opinions may be more skewed toward the obvious. Again, no offense meant.

Information is the key to a better decision one way or another.

I think many of us have considered the surgery route, and, after much research, have decided it’s not worth the risk.

Like I said-when you hear of the docs having it done, it’s probably ok.

a8,

I feel like I have taken over this thread and that is not my intent at all. When PirateSteve had the surgery done, he told me that some ligament(s) were left so he still has an angle to his dangle. He also told me that one of the mistakes that the surgeon made was that he told PirateSteve to “tug or pull onto your dick every time you take a piss” which PirateSteve took very matter of factly. This he believes held back his gains because of scar tissue. He is the only one that I have talked to in person or seen in real life so I have very limited experience and I have never interviewed a physician.

Seems like we are still talking about surgery, yours or PEst’s. The only thing he brings up that hasn’t been discussed is who is a good surgeon in the UK? I haven’t a clue. However, if I lived so close to Europe, I’d think about surgeons there, too.

PEst, in the UK, is this all out-of-pocket for you or would you still have some health ins. coverage if you did it?

Excellent point 789. We all do have our own preconceived notions on the subject. But remember so do the clinics that support the surgery. If I were you I would go to the surgeon and ask for people who have had the surgery done and are willing to be contacted about it. They will be your best source for advice and results. None of us here (not many anyway) are anywhere near experts on the subject. Take 789’s advice PEst and talk to the pros about it for a while before making the decision.

No offense taken at all 789 (not by me anyway). You have always been a awesome contributor to the discussions here, and are well respected.

789

You have a very, very light routine. My guess is that you need to step it up some. What are you looking to increase, and how much? For instance, if you’re 6.5 x 4.5, and want to become 7.5 x 5.5, then you want to gain 1x1. If you need to gain a substantial amount of length, then I’d get some kind of stretching machine, or manual stretching, but you need to do a lot of it in the day. I say if you stretch, probably 1-3 hours a day. If you wear a PM or Jesex, then you need to wear that whenever possible. Do 40%-60% jelqs in between hanging sets, or sets of Penismaster, Jesextender, etc…. (I’d say 100 jelqs or so). I do my jelqs and Penismaster under infrared to keep the heat on it all the time. This promotes good circulation so you can get more nutrients to your penis for repair. For girth, I’d do heavy girth on M, W, F, with light girth days on Tu, and Th, with complete rest on the weekend. For heavy girth days, do 60-85% erect jelq (be careful), about 250 jelqs a day. Then do some cable clamping. I did 3 sets in the morning and 2 sets at night. I got the twisting clamp from walmart, along with cable clamps. I put the twisting cable clamp at the base while erect, then put the cable clamp behind the glans. I leave this on for 4 minutes, then remove the cable clamp and place it in the middle of the shaft. Leave that for 4 minutes, then put the cable clamp at the base for 3 minutes. That was 1 set. Between clamping sets, you want to heat it up and massage like there is no tomorrow. I gained girth pretty fast when I did this. Light girth days, do 100 70% erect jelqs in the morning, and 100 at night. On supplements, I take L-Arginine 3-4g a day, glutamine, zinc 30mg, vitamin E, Vitamin C, and Ginko Biloba daily. You can place your pumping in on those days too if you’d like. If you do, lower the amount of erect jelqs you do slightly.

What you do from here is your choice. If you give this a try for a couple of months, I doubt you’ll be upset, because this was pretty much the workload that yielded the most results for myself. Everyone is different, you might gain more or less than me, but it is worth a shot.

And remember, time spent on your penis is not wasted time.

xlm,

I started out at 5 7/8 X 4 7/8 and am now 7 3/8-7.5 X 5 3/8-5.5 depending on the day. I was fortunate enough to gain my first inch in the first four months. I measure bone pressed for my own accuracy. I already take a supplement called Arginmax from GNC and I basically double the dose. I also take daily vitamin paks and coral calcium. I work out 5 days a week also. I have jelked, hung, pumped, owned a penimaster, a max extender, a wench and an ADS device that can be worn BTC or around my knee.

I have tried to take a measured cautious approach to PE figuring I only had one dick to fuck with. I have not done clamping because I am not comfortable that there are not real risks involved although I cannot tell you those risks. It just doesnt seem right for me. As I said, my aggressive approach to PE came in my hanging/pumping routine that led to a bunch of major discoloration. What did that get me?

I certainly have a very well conditioned dick so maybe I should consider ratcheting up my routine to encourage more length gains. Maybe buy another 1 3/4 tube, more aggressive stretching, and wearing an ADS, which I did
order the other day from one of our members.

That will give you a little more history and backround on me. So if you see something glaring please let me know.

789

789,

All that matters, no matter the routine, or the devices you use, I really think you need to step it up a notch. It is about shocking your penis into rebuilding. Like muscles, when you reach a plateau, your muscles won’t go any further because they are used to the workload. In order to shock them, you can either switch workout days, different amount of weight, or exercises used to gain. Instead of barbell bench, do dumb bell bench. You’re still working out, and your muscles will be shocked into growing again. Trust me.

I think you should take a couple of weeks off completely from PE, to prepare your penis for the work ahead. Then revamp your routine with more work and different exercises you don’t normally do, and watch the gains come. That will shock your penis into growing for sure.

xlm,

Thanks for the advice. I sincerely appreciate it. You know what, for a guy with a dick complex you are pretty helpful to the other members here. Thanks again.

789

No matter what bullshit goes on, the main reason we are here is to help each other and help ourselves. If it wasn’t for this forum, I’d still just be jelqing, and probably be sitting here with minimal gains, which are still good, but I wanted more. I was blessed when I found this site, and I didn’t do anything to deserve it. I feel like I need to help others, it is the right thing to do. You’re a great guy, and a great friend. I would go to bat for you anytime. :)

To condense space I paraphrased your last paragraph.

Thank you for the offer but I should probably hand-le this myself. Only a true friend would do that and bail you out of jail when you drink too much and get into a fight.

Okay - sorry I haven’t been around lately - I fell down the stairs and broke my arm, lol (never try exercising by running up and down stairs with socks on).

I am typing one handed right now and it’s a pain in the ass (also the arm).
Well - I haven’t read all the posts yet. My stats are 5.7 inches NBP length and 4.5 inches girth (roughly, size seems to change due to erection amounts).

I need girth mainly - And I can’t change girlfriend, I love her - and lets face it, she is only being honest to me.

Thanks guys, will read other posts after breakfast

Sorry for your arm, I hope you get better soon.

Have you gained any so far from PE? Maybe you should focus on girth only for few months and see what happens. I understood you are a young guy, so what’s the rush? Invest some quality time for PE (I know you already have, but still…) and consider surgery later if gains don’t come.

Avocet8 id think it’s out of his own pocket?In the UK we don’t pay for hospital treatment like in the USA but if you get any plastic surgery then you have to go private and costs close to £5000(thats what I think anyway)it’s about $2700!OH thats for fat injections for girth and ligs being cut for length,but I’m not sure.