The Length Before Girth Debate

It’s quit pronounce compared to some others I’ve seen. I’m really grateful for that since my shaft is under 5”, and quite a few people here seem to be 5+” even before they start.

I’ve posted my pics here. They’re just before I started PE. I’m not going to update them until I’ve gained a whole inch in length, so the difference will be more noticeable. :D

A lot of interesting responses.

I was asking because if one has trouble gaining girth, but could gain length relatively well, and so it’s decided that length is to be worked first - and the end result is a long pencil dick that can’t gain girth.

I guess I’m thinking that one should focus on where they’re weak first, and bring up those weak points before moving on to the “easier” stuff. Like in bodybuilding, if your calves are a weak point, you hit them first on leg day when your energy and motivation are at their highest.

I think if you plan your workouts right, you can work both dimensions without them cancelling each other out from all the work. Maybe go all out for length, but don’t abandon girth work completely and vice versa. I think one helps the other to a certain extent. Either way, it’s gonna take a lot of time and effort.

None of this could even really matter, if we can figure out at what point will girth become a hinderance to length gains.

So it’s accepted that length gains will not affect girth gains in a negative way? It’s only the other way around where that holds true? So then how thick can you make your penis before length gains become much more difficult? Plus, if you’re planning to hang weights, would it even matter since you can just increase the weight or adjust your workouts to compensate for the thick girth slowing down the process?

Wouldn’t the amount of girth you’d have to gain in order to stifle length gains be some wildly inhuman amount? Does anyone really have to worry?

More and more, I’m starting to believe that working length and some girth will give a synergistic result. Here’s why I have come to this conclusion.

For the last 3 or so weeks, I have done no girth work at all. Zero. Last night I decided to do a set of clamping after a few sets of hanging. The maximum girth I have even seen while clamped was 5.2 inches. Last night I saw 5.35 inches (and didn’t I love the feel of that!!). Why is it that after doing zero girth work for so long, I have now reach a new girth (albeit temporary)?

The only conclusion I could draw is that length and girth do go hand in hand. But as stated by so many, over the top girth should surely hinder length gains. Thats one I just don’t know about yet.

However, I will definitely included a clamping session every few days over the next month to go with my hanging routine and will see what happens.

Lurk,

>So it’s accepted that length gains will not affect girth gains in a negative way?<

I do not see how they could.

>It’s only the other way around where that holds true? So then how thick can you make your penis before length gains become much more difficult? Plus, if you’re planning to hang weights, would it even matter since you can just increase the weight or adjust your workouts to compensate for the thick girth slowing down the process?<

You have pretty much hit the nail on the head. The problem comes in the amount of longitudenal forces that can be applied, vs the amount of lateral forces that can be applied.

The question becomes, how much weight can one hang, and is it enough to permanently deform the tissues? The more tough collagenous tissue one has, the more stress that will be required to elongate them. Even with a very comfortable hanger, the stresses are tremendous. The problem comes in how the soft tissues; skin, nerves, smooth muscle blood vessels, respond to this stress. It can be very hard on them.

But as far as the lateral bonds, girth work, the tunica is about the only structure which receives the tremendous stress. The skin is not too much of a problem. Nerves are not generally a problem. Blood vessels and inner smooth muscle can be impacted in the form of thrombosed veins, but this can happen at low or high pressure.

It comes down to what structures are affected by length and girth exercises, how much force can be placed on those structures and by what methods. In general, I would say girth is much easier, affected little by the amount of length. But length gains are tougher given the limits to the amount of stress that can be delivered and the amount of girth.

>Wouldn’t the amount of girth you’d have to gain in order to stifle length gains be some wildly inhuman amount? Does anyone really have to worry?<

It seems from anecdotal evidence that guys with more girth, going for tunica gains (vs those going for lig gains) have a tougher time of it.

I would say the amount of stress required to make a set amount of length gains goes up proportionatly to the amount of girth.

Bigger

“It seems from anecdotal evidence that guys with more girth, going for tunica gains (vs those going for lig gains) have a tougher time of it.”

Really? All of them? So even guys who were born with large girths who are new to PE have trouble gaining length? Of course, if they’re new to PE they could gain length from the ligaments, but what if their LOT is low? Do naturally girthier guys have problems gaining length?

Bib, everything you said makes complete sense. But now I’m back to my original question. So if someone is a hardgainer when it comes to girth (regardless of what girth size will do to length gains) then they are pretty much fucked?

I was trying to make an argument for working girth first, or length and girth at the same time. Because if a girth-hardgainer trains until his length goals are met, he’ll be left with a long, thin dick. The PE process is a long and tedious one. You would have a long, thin dick for a LONG time before you “fixed” it…if you even could. But I guess if you can’t gain girth no matter what, then there’s really nothing that can help you and the “length before girth” debate means nothing anyway.

Maybe I shouldn’t think out loud, but maybe someone smarter than me can salvage something useful out of this thought… I’m saying that maybe if you have trouble gaining girth, maybe that should be your first focus, and it would be worth slowing down your length gains a little just to gain a little thickness.

Also, is it possible for an “easy length gainer” (gains from tunica) to be a hardgainer for girth?

“The question becomes, how much weight can one hang, and is it enough to permanently deform the tissues? The more tough collagenous tissue one has, the more stress that will be required to elongate them. Even with a very comfortable hanger, the stresses are tremendous. The problem comes in how the soft tissues; skin, nerves, smooth muscle blood vessels, respond to this stress. It can be very hard on them.”

So what you mean is… if you tried to hang a lot of weight to stretch a fatter dick, everything else would break first before the right things break. Right?

What’s the ceiling looking like for this to happen? 5 inches of girth? 5.5? 6? Perhaps you can work until you gain up to that point (if girth is a priority), then start hanging for length?

The reason I asked if anyone really has anything to worry about was because I thought that someone would have to have a crazy girth of like, 7” or 8” for it to truly interfere with length gains. But less girth than that will do it, huh?

I understand that the tunica expanding (Ulies) and the tunica lengthening (hanging) are two different stresses, but if you can do one really well, why can’t you do the other? Isn’t tunica expansion still tunica expansion? If it’s pliable enough to grow widthwise, why not lengthwise?

Have I confused anyone yet? Because I sure am confused by my own writing.

Lurkmeat,

The most important aspect of PE is you.

How do you feel about your dick? As you say, it is pointless to have a 9” pencil.

I look at it this way. So what if I make it hard for myself to gain some length, Id rather have a dick I’m happy with, even if its not exactly huge.

I know I would rather have 7 x 5.5 than a 8 x 5. But thats just me.

It does seem however that many guys here gain length quite well even if some girth work is involved. As I said before, I think doing some girth helps length gains. I have no hard evidence to back it up, its just my opinion. But it does seem to work for me.

I’ve been thinking about this for a while tonight (at least its night over here!) and have come to the following conclusion (if you can call it that)

Girth work helps length gains.

Girth hinders length gains.

Bib,

Thanks for the response. I just thought that it would make sense physically that length makes girth work harder. Well, I’m no physicist.

That’s exactly what bothers me. With my >7 inch pencil I’m desperate for girth, while it only is my greed that makes me wish for a longer tool. I would really like it if the thin vs thick rubber band theory turned out to be false. :(

Likeness79,

Tell me about it. I think I just proved it true last night. I’ve been doing a lot of Extreme Ulies these past two weeks, resulting in a “meatier” flaccid penis. I was able to hang ten pounds pretty comfortably using my homemade hanger last night, and I’ve only been hanging for a week. I wasn’t able to hang more than 7.5 lbs in the beginning.

But I think there might be light at the end of the tunnel though.

I think I may have proved two things to myself. One is that yeah, a thicker “rubber band” is harder to stretch i.e. I can hang more weight with a thicker dick, AND if I stay steady with my girth workouts, maybe I’m not a girth-hardgainer after all. I can gain girth if I work it on a daily basis. We’ll see.