The Problem with IPR (for me at least)

Look this may be old news for many of you, but It’s been quite a while since visiting the forum for me. I’ve read many of the IPR threads, although not all of the corresponding literature provided I must admit.

Here’s the main problem in my opinion:

I’ve been PE’ing for about 4 years with the only length gains coming from a newbie pop right in the beginning of about 1/2 inch. Now the data site may reflect some more growth, albeit slight, over the years…but it was really more about measuring variables and erection firmness I believe.

Anyway, the theory purports that most gains are made within the first 2 weeks of training (80%) and the rest is not worth chasing because the penis becomes more toughened up that chasing the other 20% is worth. Well what about us poor bastards that don’t get any growth at all in 14 days or 360 days. 80% of zilch is still zilch. This theory seems to neglect the hargainer who doesn’t get growth at every workout like these other members are reporting.

So I have 6 months of rest under my belt right now…how’s this going to be any different for someone who really has never gained regardless of the time spent?

By reading several other posts about PE, I think you have to change and try out new methods of PE. Did you used the newbie routine for 4 years or did you applied other techniques too? Maybe you are just one of those unlucky people, on witch PE doesn’t have much results.

Pepsi,

I will respectfully decline to reply to your question.

I think that’s a “yes” Pepsi. There are a lot of dudes out there that have hit the game from a LOT of angles and still plateau HARD, or even never really get ANYTHING.

In a way, I think these guys hold the Grail of PE: i.e. if we could figure out how to get them going, then we would have probably found a really important mechanism of the process.

I always wonder if the kind of “dick rehabilitation” that I do with the oils might not help individuals like this. After slathering on the high quality oils and doing a lot of deep heated dick massage, I certainly feel it helps keep the pecker supple and ready to follow the next round of orders.

I think hard gainers need to really push the envelope though, and especially to experiment with doing all exercises HEATED UP to the MAX: heated stretching, heated hanging, heated wet jelq’ing in the shower, heated pumping- heated to the point of almost creating negative PI’s with it…

That said, something tells me rushmore here’s tried a LOT.

I had the same experience, Rushmore. I didn’t get any growth in the I-phase of IPR. I wore an ADS during most of my P-phase—still with no growth. Then I took a long time off to recover, and let the R-phase do it’s work. It did nothing. IPR didn’t work for me, so I gave it up.

I know how it feels I haven’t gained much in the last 1.5-2 years. I share the same experience, almost all my gains came in the very beginning. I have tried a lot and failed but I haven’t given up yet.

Here my 2 cents:

if PE has worked for you one time, must work again. Body remember what gained, and what kind and level of stress he adapted. This sound logic, and should be true if adversely proofs aren’t found.

I don’t know deeply the IPR theory; but, for the little I read about, it resemble the cycling (or periodization)theory the has been demonstrated useful in weigth-lifting. What IPR differ from cycling theory, is the amount of work you will need in the next training phase; here the IPR could be wrong. At beginning of new training phase, the amount and intensity have to be low.

But, as the body (and the penis) has “memory”, amount and intensity (and frequency) have to grow more than in the previous phase, and quicker.In the first training phase the body adapt to a stress in 6-12 weeks, if the stress is low and infrequent, and in 3-6 weeks if intensity and frequency are high; if these elements are too high, the body doesn’t adapt and you can have injuries.

In later phases of training, the body adapt to a stress after 3-7 weeks, and the length of this period does change nomore.

Applying those principles, after the first phase (newbie routine) you have to take a break, re-start the first phase with a progression rate about 1/2 higher than the first time, and progressing to a total amount of work (given by intensity*frequency) 100%-300% higher than the first time you trained.

Then, you take a break of 2-4 weeks, and restart training as the 2nd training phase, but the total time*intensity of work is only sligthly higher at the end of this phase.

To be clear:

1st phase - 12 weeks of newbie routine -let’s say that at the end of this phase you do an amount of work of 100 (10 stretches with estimated tension of 10 lbs);

2-4 weeks off

2nd phase - newbie routine, but you hit 100 after 4 weeks, and the 7 week you are doing a work of 200;

2-4 weeks off

3d phase - like 2nd, but the 7 week you are doing a work of 210.

2-4 weeks off

And so on.

How you could apply this in practice, is your problem.

I didn’t really follow all that marinera.

You seem to think the intervals would be good. Much beyond that you lost me. Partly because of the language barrier and partly because of the math (where do you get your figures?), between the two I don’t know how any of it squares. I think it’s interesting that it all seems to center around the newbie routine. That’s new-ish.

xeno, if I’m not mistaken, favored hanging.

I definitely see cycles where the dick seems more responsive to PE, followed by periods where it resists.

I’m sure there’s something to IPR, but it seems tricky to find an IPR formula that has universal success.

At this point it is another inconclusive theory. One with merit, and some success, but inconclusive nonetheless.

The penis does not toughen up, it already is tough. Blood dynamics influence size and pressure gradients, improved pressure leads to longer erections. Improved blood dynamics lead to larger volumes of blood and greater engorgement or thickness. It really is quite simple.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if IPR as a technique works, all it is a deconditioning method. If a person is not gaining to begin with, this isn’t going to help at all. For IPR to have any merit, you must be a person who regularly gains to begin with…and using this cycle will help ensure that the gains continue. This is essentially a strategy for easygainers, its not going to help for the individual who has trouble gaining to begin with.

PE for more than 5 days and tell me the penis doesn’t toughen up. When did you join the forum…yesterday?

It does build up resistance and physiologically will transform through the application of stress. But these changes will not interfere with your enlargement quest (unless you are exceeding thresholds and causing injury). You want your penis to “toughen up” in this way you will see growth improvements. No, I joined the forum about a month ago, a wise man would not correlate the length of membership and knowledge.

Rushmore,

I am in the same situation as you are. But I have not PE for 5 years, only for 2. I am stuck with the same size after my newbie gains. But I keep looking and changing my routines. The last chance I have is just going back to the basics. I will do it for 6 months and if it works it works, if it does not I will just take a long break from PE and rethink everything.

rushmore, remember not everyone responds the same way.

Please be respectful of your fellow memebers. You can express disbelief in an opinion without impugning another person’s experience.

Best to ask questions and try to understand something better when you’re having difficulty.

I’ve been PEing for quite a while. My penis is not tough.

Happy,

Look your penis may not be “tough,” but what I said is that is does “toughen up.” I think it would be hard to dispute that any of our dicks aren’t tougher than they were before PE, and that coming from the vast majority of members here based on all of the decon type threads…but maybe you are different. Also, I don’t think it’s appropriate for a new member to involve themself in a thread, make a grandious comment about PE and then state “it’s really quite simple,” especially when it doesn’t even pertain to the thread. I think you might re-look at the comment that Vokey made and realize who is being disrespectful. Also, is this the crap you have to put up with if you want to start a thread on this forum these days? It didn’t seem to be like that a year ago…maybe things have changed.

edit to add: I don’t think a mod has ever had to ask me to be respectful before…congratulations!