The Rock Hard Erection Salad.

Hi guys,

I read a few posts in the past that emphatically stated that PE is a complete waste of time unless you have the neccessary health to support growth. The individuals involved all made stunning gains in relatively short periods of time, and all credited their health to these gains.

I was given the impression they were essentially walking around with half-erections all day.

In examining this a bit, I learned that 40 million Americans are suffering from various degrees of ED. Pretty scary, and if so many of the common man are afflicted, it’s a good chance you’re not operating a peak performance, either.

But before you run off for a testosterone patch, replacement therapy, or t.A.T.u’s latest CD…

I have a cure.

My Rock Hard Erection Salad:

Couliflower.
Cabbage.
Olive oil.

Season to taste.

Just rip up the veggies, dump in the oil, and sprinkle with whatever your last girlfriend left in the cupboard.

(eat as much as you can, as often)

Within days, you’ll be harder than nails. Well, I was anyway, and here’s why:

Couliflower and cabbage are a grade "A" source of DIM (Diindolylmethane), a "health promoting compound" found in cruciferous vegetables.

DIM helps to eliminate active estrogen from the male body by promoting its conversion into the "good" metabolites. These metabolites then free up testosterone by bumping it off the testosterone-binding proteins. The end result is a healthier balance of testosterone to estrogen and more free testosterone circulating in the body."

http://www.dimf … om/site/toc.htm

Essentially, we’re not forcing more free testosterone into the body, rather we’re removing the blockages that allow it to be produced.

Not convinced, check this one out:

To boost your masculinity and enhance your body's normal disease-fighting ability, eat more broccoli, cabbage and Brussels sprouts. A recent study showed these veggies to be rich in indole-3-carbinol (I3C), a phyto-chemical known to turn "bad" estrogens (which shut down testosterone production) into good ones which help to restore it's production. Fact:bad estrogens were cut in half when seven healthy men took 500 milligrams of I3C a day for a week.

Alimentation saine et équilibrée et apport nutritionnel adapté pour un homme - 4-men

Pretty wild, huh?

(3 servings a day should give you about 500 milligrams of I3C.)

I feel this is might be another one of those missing links that is essential for PE success. I would appreciate any further thoughts or insights others might have in this field.

Cheers!
N.

(Oh yes, a little sunlight wouldn’t hurt, either…)

I’d have never know. Thanks for the info bro!:thumbs:

Looks like i better start buying more broccoli and micing it with my salads. Thanks a lot!!

Laterz

Never knew about the chemical benefits of those foods.

But eating more of any fruits and veggies consistently should benefit PE for the simple fact that instead of clogging your arteries with plaque from high-fat, cholesterol ladden foods, fruits/veggies will actually help arterial health. They don’t clog the arteries with plaque and can even help reduce plaque, which in turn, leads to better blood flow.

DIM lowers estrogen for some guys, but doesn’t do anything for others. Do a Google search on the newsgroup alt.support.impotence. For a few guys it works as well as anti-aromatase drugs. Prepare for sticker shock if you shop for DIM pills. They run about $30 per bottle.:eek:

Other things to boost testosterone or at least improve the t/e ratio:

1) Take a zinc supplement, preferably one containing copper since Cu and Zn compete for absorption. Too much of one will eventually deplete the other. GNC sells a 30/2 zinc/copper combo. Take 100 mg zinc per day for a few weeks, then taper it down to about 30. Warning: large doses of zinc upset my stomach and probably yours too. 30 mg after a meal doesn’t bother me.

2) Lose the flab. Fat produces aromatase. Aromatase turns testosterone into estrogen.

3) Don’t eat only veggies. Fat is good. T levels will drop if you have an extremely low fat diet. You don’t have to slurp bacon grease (Mmm!). Olive oil, flax oil, fish oils, etc. are good sources of fat.

However, some have speculated the opposite. Bib had some of his best gains when he was in a negative energy balance (see this thread for more info). He and others have also proffered the idea that supplemental Vitamin C may be bad because it aids connective tissue repair. Zinc and copper are also essential for repair. Do a google search on copper and connective tissue.

So, there are two opposing trains of thought.

Great post, NorthStar.

Cauliflower, Broccoli and Brussel sprouts have been promoted by several Health Mags and Nutritionist for quite some time now, due to their health benefits. Now people understand why the Irish look so rugged….it’s the cabbage!

Hmm…

Interesting stuff, Hobby.

I swung by alt.impotence, but I didn’t like the emphasis on medical treatments. It’s not that it’s not valid, of course, I just don’t buy that we’ve evolved to the point where we need drugs to fufill our biological imparative.

Something’s amiss, y’know?

Those who have tried DIM, where they using a supplement…or what is from a steady dose of cruciferous veggies? I have a sneaking suspicion that nutrients in a pill are not readily absorbed by the body.

Interesting reading on Bib’s experiences. I suppose putting the body in a weakened state would help break it down, a curious concept. I would be concerned about whether there would be enough ‘health’ to rebuild, though. The only thing I can relate this to, is the protein cycling used by the Bulgarian athletes and farmers to build size. Essentially the weightlifters place themselves in a mildly overtrained state while restricting protein intake for a few days, on the last day they are only allowed to eat fruits. Then the next week the engage in hardcore lifting while saturating the diet with protein.

Vince Gironda was also quite fond of this for his 10 day Hollywood workout (5 days of fasting and twice a day workouts, followed by 5 days of high protein, once a day workouts)

Controlled overtraining of the body to create a brief stint of overcompensation for gains.

I have no idea if this has any value for PE, but I’m sure the adventurous could figure out something!

As for me, I’m gonna stick with fresh veggies, olive oil, sunlight, and some intense workouts…all things being equal, my money is on the man with glowing health. And the wonderful thing about this approach is you’ll know within days if you are on the right track.

Thanks for the feedback!

Cheers!
N.

(p.s. And assuming the body is now operating to it’s natural capacity, does anyone have any hints for “super-erection” building?)

Another bit…

In the thread on Bib, I believe Johan mentioned that he received some of his best gains when PE-ing after running in the morning.

Perhaps a coincidence, however one of my souces also mentioned that during the time he made his spectacular gains, he was also running each day.

Nonetheless, it works nicely with the building health vibe.

I’m going to start running today…

Cheerio!
N

(You know, all I wanted was to have a big dick. Now I’m visualizing, running, eating fresh veggies, working out at the gym…, It strikes me that I’m going to be one healthy wanker when I overthrow the royalty of Japan!)

(Geez, wadda life…)

:)

>Those who have tried DIM, where they using a supplement…or what is from a steady dose of cruciferous veggies? I have a sneaking suspicion that nutrients in a pill are not readily absorbed by the body.<

They were taking DIM pills. Cruciferous veggies contain I3C, which then gets converted to various things, including DIM, in the stomach. I forget how many pounds of broccoli one would have to eat to get as much DIM in one pill. It was several pounds.
I like broccoli, but not that much.%-\

One guy had great results from extremely small amounts of DIM - probably the equivalent of a couple large helpings of broccoli. His results weren’t subjective; he kept track of his E2 level. When he first started taking DIM he used a typical dose. It knocked his estrogen down too far, so he kept reducing the dosage until he found what worked for him.

I agree it’s best to stay away from drugs when possible. But, if a guy has low testosterone and/or high estrogen and doesn’t benefit from dropping weight, exercising, eating healthy, etc., drugs are the only remaining option. Out of whack hormones can cause more serious problems than a limp dick.

Re: recovery and PE, I think both theories are correct, though I suspect the optimum style of training is different for each. Bib was hanging all day, going for the constant stress approach. Anyone wanting to spend as much time as possible in the fatigued state doesn’t want the ligs to heal and strengthen between workouts.

However, most of us do shorter workouts. In this case we probably benefit from recovering and healing quickly. Hit it hard, then let it recover and grow.

>Perhaps a coincidence, however one of my souces also mentioned that during the time he made his spectacular gains, he was also running each day.<

Hmm. Come to think of it I was getting a lot of exercise the week I shot up 1/8”. (Hey, don’t laugh, that’s a big gain for me!)

All this health talk has me feeling guilty. Now I’ll have to dust off the treadmill, find my weights, and cook some veggies. See what you’ve done?;)

Keep in mind guys, most of the men if not all the men who suffer ED dont practive PE. Jelqing can and has been shown…on these forums anyway to improve penis health, give harder erections and, help many men reclaim their size they may have had in their younger years. Not to play “Devils’ Advocate” but, why not just take Arginine daily??? It also does wonders for erections and probably costs less on a monthly basis as it would to buy the stuff for these salads. I’m all about being healthy and eating right though.

thanks for the great info and links

Are any of you guys still experimenting with this? If so, how’s it working?

Hey Good Knight,

I confess, I’ve been a little lazy.

Whenever I do load up on olive oil and broccoli, my body does respond VERY favorably, however…

5gs of Aginine, morning and night, gives amazing erections.

(combined with pumping)

It’s easier, and my lifestyle doesn’t realy allow time to be spent making salads all day…

N.

Northstar,

Do you know if these veggies are only effective raw, or could they still prove beneficial cooked? I’ve heard that if you were to eat a whole raw onion every day for a week, by day 7 you’d have a constant stonker J I tried this, but found it too hard to incorporate a whole raw onion into my daily diet.

I know this Polish guy who when he wants to give his girl a really good seeing to, will eat apple and cabbage with rice.