Understanding force thresholds for growth

This tread seems to have slowed down and that’s a shame. I think there is some valuable discussion points made here. I have been wondering about breaks and deconditioning as I read through these comments. I can’t help but think of an extender user, like myself, has time off for recovery every day, doesn’t he? So let’s say that I extend for 4-6 hours per day every day. Out of my 24 hour day I have 20 to 18 hours that I am not in my routine. If I sleep 7-10 hours each day the I still have about 8 our so hours of active awake recovery time not including sleep. Does that not count as a daily recovery or rest time?

P_h_i_l

No it does not count. Even one single 4 hour extending exercise (actually one hour is enough to make this happen) induces profileration stage in the tissue you are stretching longer. This stage can last for three days without any other workout stimulus. Which means exercising daily you are never getting actual rest on your stretched tissue working it daily and not giving it at least couple of days rest between.

This works fine for one month maybe two before the tissue starts to get into mode of adaptation to the given stresses. That means your stretched tissue starts to get stronger, building more collagen to handle the given stress.
It starts to become stiffer and latest at three months point it is already tougher and stiffer. Not responding to the stress by lengthening that easily. Tissue never resting a bit.

These things have been confirmed with ligaments and tendons and there is no reason not to believe anything other happening on similarly collagenous tunica of the penis.

You don´t have to be heavy hanger to have advance of rest days , short mini decons of few weeks and scheduled long breaks at certain intervals.

Thanks for your input! I’ve been using an extender for about a year now and seen some moderate gains (3/4” +/-). Getting kinda frustrated, but might be that I need to be patient and also change my routine up?

For this discussion’s sake, and to clarify, would you recommend for best growth a schedule for someone who uses extender 2-4 hours per day a schedule as follows?

Mon-Friday
Monday:
10 minutes heat pad application
10 minute v-stretches
2 hours extender at minor discomfort level
10 minutes heat pad application
Tuesday:
(same)
Wednesday:
10 minutes heat pad application
10 minute v-stretches
3 hours extender at minor discomfort level
10 minutes heat pad application
Thursday:
(same as Monday/Tuesday)
Friday:
(same as Wednesday but aim for 4 hours instead of 3)

Over the weekend on Saturday / Sunday:
Rest

Next week repeat

Does this sound like what you would suggest as a good routine aimed at growth?

P_h_i_l

Since you asked me , I have to say that I have no experience on longterm 3-4 hours extender use. But happes to be that I have another aspect to put in because of my trials on heating applications and another ways of using extender.

For fulltime extender user I would recommned to study what Buckfewer has been doing with extender. No 4-6 hours marathons. Using less and gaining more.

So what I would suggest is to do differenty based on your preferences is :

Take a few weeks of first, minimum of 6 weeks.

40 minutes heat pad application on exterender lower load, incremental loading to the peak load.
10 minute v-stretches
1 hour extender at really minor discomfort level , discomfort felt only at last 30 minutes part

10 minutes heatpad applications does not make any difference, you need minimum of 30 minutes to heat deeper tissues.
Use the pad differently, not as a warmup but continuous heating as a tool to mold the tissue.

Take a week off everytime your penis feels exhausted or you have drop on EQ.

There are guys having longterm gains with multi hours workouts but not everyone are gaining. Learn what they have done also.
With constant heat the chance is significantly better and with it lesser hours in best case. Learn as much as possible about the heating.

This is what I have been thinking about in a different way. How little force and time can still cause growth?

Question which would be great to know the answer. There might not be a all fitting universal answer. The load range some of the modern extenders have (1-4kg), should cover the range needed in majority of us. if loads under that umbrella are not giving gains no matter the concept they are delivered, then the penis has been adapted aka build strong enough not to have the stimulus to elongate.

As it goes for timing several 30 minutes sessions should be better than on sole hours lasting session in all cases, regardless of the principle the stretching of the tissue has been produced. Four times a week should be better than seven days a week. 8 months a year should be better than 12 months a year. Four years in 5 years better than five back to back.

There are signs that the execution methods may be more crucial than the hours and pounds put into. If the tissue does not stretch longer during the exercise there probably wont be gains coming either. Anything but tissue getting stiffer eventually. Feeling the stretch means nothing without measurable strain, otherwise it is just feeling a stress not THE stretch.

In the longrun using the same load and time wont be giving the gains initially achieved. It is all about the adaptation which has been traditionally called conditioning here at TP.
Unless we use rest days and peridiozation to downgrade this adaptation.

Extender user already using his equipment on daily basis springs bottomed several hours a day wont be gaining anything soon once plateaued. Decon breaks are inevitable.

How long then we need to be off from exercising completely. This was the concern of the OP and the initial posters in this thread.
They were referring to guy named Shiver already almost two decades ago giving a quite accurate approximations of the timelines needed.

What I have found out is it takes 10-14 days of complete inactivity for the tendons for example before there can be seen any decrease in net collagen content for instance.
That would be the starting point for the recuperation which would need as much time as it takes. How long we still don´t know exactly.

Thats because the adaptation is not just about net collagen content or collagen renewal, the extracellular matrix of collagenous tissue develops residual stress. This cellular stress is a cumulative summary of the external loading and equally importantly from the growth of the tissue as such. The academic community now widely thinks, based on newest knowledge this residual ECM stress being the most important factor limiting natural growth. Once developed it takes a very long time to decrease, never reaching the stage prevailed before the growth took place.

The more there have been gains , or how extensive has been the workouts and stressful the loading been the longer the breaks should be if we want to train kept a rolling.

After the de-conditioning aka reversed adaptation the loads and timings initially bringing gains should be relevant again in some extend.

Thank you!

He is called Buckfever, not Buckfewer :)