Very short duration manual stretch - gains?

Slack and mgus, I admire your skills at troll detection :)

Truth is that I still have the same ruler now as when I started. That ruler drove me crazy the first 3 months of PE. I was doing a different routine and couldn’t gain anything. After a while I started paying attention to many posts that mentioned that their goal was a certain kind of tiredness. I paid attention to that in own unit and quickly realized that with simple stretching and an extra strong tug was the key for me. The tricky part was not pulling too hard. The amount of tension required to create the same tiredness increased with time. After a while I couldn’t pull hard enough to get the correct feel. I did manage to tear a ligament at one point and now have a small permenant lump on the top of my shaft. Fortunately, the wife found out at that point and put a stop to it.

She was right at the time, because sex was getting painful for her on occasion. That doesn’t happen anymore and so I have started up again. Deconditioning has made it so that I can get that same tired feeling that worked in the past. Unfortunately, right now I have to pull very hard. I doubt this routine will work for more than the next 3 months. What I don’t know is how that will translate into gains. If past results are an indication, then I should be able to get another 1/2 inch. That should be just about right for my wife.

Of course if this becomes a pattern then I will take another year off and then try it again. I think 9 inches would be the limit, judging on the size of my wife’s dildo. The most she’s been able to handle with that monster was 9 inches during a really steamy session.

I’ve spent enough time on this board to basically trust many members. Other (non-PE) boards have variable quality. This board has very high quality, I judge.

If you doubt, read a lot, get a feeling for the people, and hopefully you are a good judge of people.

Also read the PE Data Site (link near the bottom of every page). There are few obvious fake entries there, but also much good data for inspiration.

A quick first inch is common. Hard work and no gain is also common.

Personally, I envy the girth gainers. I just got a long skinny-looking piece. We’re just different.

BigKnob,

Your information could be use full for a lot of guys here who couldn’t gained too much with a ‘standard’ routine, I mean with one or two ‘session’ per day.
5-10 stretches / 2-3 minutes each during all day for maintaining the ligs soreness - maybe this is the key of PE success for some of us !
Personally I’ve gained 1/2 inch in about half of year, than plateau. This made me to take a brake of one month and half and now I am ready to restart my PE journey!

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I seem to be having great gains doing it this way. I have been hanging three times a day for 10-20 minutes, I start out with 15 lbs for 10 minutes then I add another 5lb for 10 minutes more. After this session I go into jelqing for 15 minutes witch adds to the girth of my penis. I hope that I have helped with some of my routine work out.

Did you guys warmed up before doing these quick stretches?

I stretch in the shower: plenty warm.

So you shower 3 times a day?

That is some amazing gains there guys. Are you using both hands while pulling?

Jman30, I shower once a day, stretch for a couple of minutes. I use one hand.

I do the “helicopter” or “rotary” which I originally got from some Eastern/Tao/Something book: I stretch moderately hard, then move in a circle (so the head points up, left, down, right). I do 36 in each direction. Why 36? It just happened to be what the book said, and I stuck with it.

I also do the LDP stretch: I stand straight, put one foot up high, then stretch down (or slightly away from the “up” foot). I do this for about 30 sec per foot, one set.

That’s it for stretching.

I measure very precisely (convert mms to inches), and I’ve gained as much as 1/4” EL in 3 weeks. I think you should check your sources of PE data.

BigKnob,

This is right in line with my thoughts on elastin fatiguing and is how I’ve been doing lig stretches for the past two months, I just haven’t been as consistant as you were.

It’s unfortunate that your wife doesn’t support your PE efforts.

Good luck!

I had found an article which suggested that stretches beyond 3 minutes in length were needed for plastic deformation (for non-PE related tissue traction). It was a scholarly article and was heavily footnoted, but the gist of the paper seemed to be that short duration stretches were not nearly as effective. Again, this was not a PE article, but they may have something there. If you think about it, hangers routinely hold “stretches” for 15-20 minutes per set - hardly short duration.

Which only goes to show how difficult it is for us to be “armchair scientists” builing theories about what should work. I never stretch more than 3 minutes, and I’ve had fast gains.

larslaukanen,

Which are you working more for length, the crura/tunica or the suspensory ligaments? Or are you balancing your workout between the two areas?

The reason that I ask is that the suspensory ligaments have a higher ratio of elastin to collagen than do the crura ligaments and the tunica fascia. This suggests that a longer term stretch is needed with the suspensory ligs, to fatigue the elastin and allow the collagen fibers to come under full stress, followed by a stronger tug to stretch/tear the collagen. The unknown here is how long it takes to fully fatigue the elastin.

Priapologist: Um, good question. Perhaps you can tell me? I describe my workout above in post #23. I’m not up on theories regarding what stretches what.

Doing the LDP stretches, I used to really feel the stretch in the ligs, though less of that these days. Were my early gains lig gains? If so, I made them despite stretching for only short times.

I agree with you about the armchair theories; however, the fact that you never stretched that long, but still had fast gains has no bearing on the paper. That article did not suggest that traction was impossible with stretches under 3 minutes, only that stretching longer than that was more effective. Had you stretched that long, its possible your gains might have been faster or greater, or both. But I appreciate your point, which basically is, “How the hell do we know?”