Walter's theory?

hang10,

like you said, it´s about the amount of stress you can get, no matter how you get it. However, for a lot of us the famous “listen to your body”-thing is a pretty advanced skill and that is why we like some help (like weight-marked dumbells) to measure the stress.

BTW, the (ex-)gymnasts I know did a LOT of weight lifting and were definitly not just doing pull-ups in the bar.

Just my 2 c.

/sizemoore

A pump doesn’t mean anything, I can go in the gym and “pump up” my muscles all day or even my dick for that matter. Whether or not this is causing growth or not is truly a shot in the dark. There is no way to gauge this pump, besides the pump is the output. Where talking about gauging the “input.” Tell me how do you gauge it?

This is the basic adaption principle here. You app a stress, the body adapts and then you find away to increase it because it adapted. Usually, the amount needed to increase or descrease is only a little more than before.

Last time I checked gymnasts do a tremendous amount of upper body work (pull-ups, etc.) that all can be gauged in weight or repetitions, and increased accordingly. You will find that most athletes you think don’t work out, and rely on their sport solely for conditioning, is untrue.

I know I can’t 15 lbs if I can’t hang 14 lbs. 15 lbs is 15 lbs, you have no idea the amount of force your hands provide.

“Listen to your body” I hardly doubt this is the case. Let’s say you apply 10 lbs of tension with a jelq stroke, and next time you need to increase it, 1st there is no way for you to even know you applied the 10 lbs second no way to increase or decrease the stress. Even if he could listen to his body, it would only be after ?amount of force has been applied.

Hell, at least with pumping you can gauge the pressure.

Answer these questions: How do you gauge the amount of force? what is your unit of measure? How do you increase it or decrease it? (In terms of the input)

Walter,

Plateaus are not just caused by overworking. Like Hang10 touched up on, plateaus are also caused when the body adapts to the stress. After your penis adapts, it will start to respond less to the exercise you are putting it through, which causes less stimulation, and less effectiveness. Its only natural that one would think, “well shit, this exercise isn’t working as good as it used to, I need to do more.” Thats how alot of guys end up overworking their penis.

The main thing is you want to keep your penis from adapting. You can higher the intensity, and shorter the sessions. You can take more days off. You can try different exercises. Or you can try longer sessions.

From what I’ve read in your posts, (not all), but some, is that you don’t seem to understand that everyone is different. Overworking to you, may not be overworking to me. Overworking to me not be overworking to someone else. We all have different genetics, some get better nutrition than others, and some recover better than others. The thing is, you can’t figure out what works best for you, unless you try things and gain experience.

I learn more from my mistakes than I do from my achievements, and I hope you do as well.

I have to agree with walter. I look at it as lifting weights. You don’t lift 5 days a week doing upper body everyday. You do upper body one day then work lower body the next and rotate. You won’t gain if you don’t let yourself recover and build from the previous workout. Well this is how i atleast workout. Working different muscles everyday.

“Plateaus are not just caused by overworking. Like Hang10 touched up on, plateaus are also caused when the body adapts to the stress.”

I honestly cannot say whether I agree with this or not. My idea is that if I can find a routine that would not over or under work the penis, I can make consistent gains. Over the course of the next year or so, I will be experimenting. My hypothesis is that if someone stops growing it is because they are working too hard. If that is not the case, they might not be working enough.

Fishlips,
And consider this too, your quads are almost ten times the size of your penis, and you would never dream of building up your legs by working them everyday for a half hour without breaks. If a muscle as big as your quads can’t handle that much stress, imagine what you are doing to your penis.

And yes, yes, I know. The penis is not a muscle; I am just illustrating my point.

Walter,

Using the pushups as an example if you only do 50 pushups 3 times a week you will only get so big. If you really want to get big your going to have to start doing more pushups or start adding other exercises. If you are just starting exercising those 50 pushups will give you decent results but you won’t continue to grow and grow unles you make some changes. And someone that does pushups and bicep curls and bench presses will grow faster than the person doing pushups alone.

I understand where both you guys are coming from. I only exercise one body part a week as well, and although PE and Gym workouts are similar in some ways, it does differ in other ways. You cannot compare the level of stress of doing a Quad Workout to a PE Workout.

The following day, after one of my leg routines, my legs are fatigued and sore, but the same thing doesn’t happen to my penis after my PE routines. If that was the case, then I would take more days off for my penis to recover.

See the problem with that is, what over-works or under-works your penis will change as the months go by, and thats why you will need to keep changing your routine. You are not going to gain at a consistent rate by doing the same routine, the same amount of times a week, and with the same intensity. Any weight lifter that has broken plateau will tell you that a change in your routine is needed to break the plateau, and does not necessarily mean that gains have stopped because of over-training. Since I do look at PE plateaus and Muscle plateaus similar in theory, take a look at ways of breaking a muscle plateau. You will see overworking is not necessarily the culprit that has stopped gains from progressing.

Change Method of Doing Exercise

The first way to get past a plateau and force further gains is to simply do the already effective exercise, but change how you do it or use different equipment. For example, if you have been doing Front Shoulder Raise (you'll find exercise instructions and video demonstrations for the exercises mentioned in this article on my site) exercises with dumbbells, try using a barbell to perform the same Front Shoulder Raise, or do the cable version of the Front Shoulder Raise. One important strategy is to keep switching the way you do each exercise.

So for example, if on Day 1 when you train your chest, you use a barbell for the Bench Press, the next time either use dumbbells or a machine to perform the same exercise. This is a great way to add variety to an exercise you enjoy doing but still keep your muscles “guessing”, forcing them to continue making great gains.

Try New Exercises

The human neuromuscular system adapts to specific movement patterns, it is advisable to change your training exercises occasionally. So, if progress comes to a halt in the Bench Press exercise, then either the Incline Bench Press, Flys, or Dips can serve as excellent substitutes to “shock” your muscles and promote further progress. Although all of those exercises target the chest muscles, the different movements require different muscle-fiber recruitment patterns that will stimulate further strength and development.

Vary Exercise Order

The way you organize your weightlifting program should also be varied from time to time. Try changing the order of how you usually do your routine for each muscle group. For example, if for your chest routine you usually do bench press first, then incline bench press, and then dips or flys, switch around and try alternating the order: start with the incline bench press, then do the bench press, and so on.

If you always do the bench press first, your upper chest muscles never have the opportunity to be trained when they are fresh—they will always be somewhat fatigued from being indirectly trained on the bench press. But simply changing the exercise order of each muscle group will add variety to your workout and force new results.

Vary the Number of Sets Performed

Another method to use when strength and muscle development reaches a plateau is to vary the number of sets performed. If you have been training with multiple sets for each exercise, you may benefit from switching to a single or two set program for each exercise. Conversely, if you have only been doing one set per exercise you might want to try doing two or three sets for each. Vary the Resistance/Repetition Relationship Just as the neuromuscular system adapts to specific movement patterns, it also adapts to training workloads. So another way to overcome training plateaus is to vary the resistance/repetition relationship.
For example, if ten repetitions with 80 pounds becomes a strength plateau, then perhaps12 repetitions with 70 pounds will produce additional strength gains. Conversely, if 12 reps with 140 pounds becomes a strength plateau, perhaps 8 reps with 160 pounds will stimulate further muscle development. Although some resistance/repetition relationships may be more effective for you, the main objective is to avoid prolonged periods of training with the same amount of resistance and number of repititions. Do keep the number of repetitions close to what you are trying to achieve. For example, if you are trying to increase muscle tone and endurance, you would not want to do six repetitions with heavy weight.

“See the problem with that is, what over-works or under-works your penis will change as the months go by, and thats why you will need to keep changing your routine.”

Why? And how do we know this to be true?
If the penis is not a muscle, why should we assume that a larger penis needs more work than a smaller one?

I should also ask, why should we believe there is any relationship between the size of the penis and the level of work necessary for growth?

I never mentioned anything about the size of a penis making a difference. I’m not sure how you got that mixed up. I didn’t mean that a larger penis needs more or less work than a smaller one, I just meant your penis will respond less as you continually do the same routine. The level of work necessary is determined by the individual, from recovery time, gentics, health, and adaption of the routine.

I sound like I’m beating a dead horse here.
:horse:

Anyone else get what I’m saying?

I understand your point perfectly. With that in mind,

“I just meant your penis will respond less as you continually do the same routine.”

How do we know this to be true, and why is this so? As of right now, I have no reason not to believe doing the same routine will yield constant gains. That is, if I can find a routine which will not over or under work the penis.

walter,

>”I just meant your penis will respond less as you continually do the same routine.”

How do we know this to be true, and why is this so? As of right now, I have no reason not to believe doing the same routine will yield constant gains. That is, if I can find a routine which will not over or under work the penis. <

That would be the experience of thousands of guys over many years.

You are welcome to re-invent the wheel, or you may have a different wheel, but the experiences of many should not be discounted.

Bigger

You also have no reason to claim that the same routine will give you constant continual gains. I’ve read theories about breaking plateaus in magazines, in health boards, PE Paysites and from guys here at both PE Forums and Thunders Place. Am I going to believe what one person says or what the general consesus is? Why should I believe your theory is any better than what I’ve read, studied, and experimented with?

Do some google searches on plateaus, then use some common sense on how it would apply to PE. You will hit a plateau at some point…. its unavoidable.

“I’ve read theories about breaking plateaus in magazines, in health boards, PE Paysites and from guys here at both PE Forums and Thunders Place. Am I going to believe what one person says or what the general consesus is? Why should I believe your theory is any better than what I’ve read, studied, and experimented with?”

I am talking about the possibility of avoiding a plateau, not breaking one. You should show me evidence which would confute my theory if you are arguing against it.

“Do some google searches on plateaus, then use some common sense on how it would apply to PE. You will hit a plateau at some point…. its unavoidable.”

Please define “common sense.” Is this another term for “your sense?”

“That would be the experience of thousands of guys over many years.”

Then this could only mean that they have not suceeded in avoiding a plateau, if such a thing could be done.