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Is It All Just a stretched Suspensory Ligament?

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Originally Posted by Rhinoguy
(igigi:) “Science resembles more a religion/cult than anything else.”

Wow. That’s the opposite of the truth. Try submitting your next research study containing statistically thorough data and interpretations to the double blind peer-review process conducted by your leading science publication. You should see how free from bias that process is after that experience. Your report will be torn to bits by multiple scholars who do not even know you. If its any good it will still be corrected for accuracy, and if its not then forget it you will not get it published. The whole point of the scientific method is to remove personal opinion and bias from the determination of provable scientific fact. If you think science is a political farce like politics is, then you have some serious study to do. Science is designed to be repeatable, rigorous, beyond personal opinion and unaffected by culture, religion, politics, or anything else. There have been fake studies before, but they are by far the minority of what goes in the science community.

Oh dear!

Modern “science” is proof by press release.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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You want recent evidence of what I say? Explore the process the Corman/Drosten “paper” went through to get published in a peer reviewed journal (Eurosurveillance) to show the validity of the farcical RT-PCR “test” for SARS-CoV_2.

This “test” destroyed countless lives and businesses around the world - all in the name of science.

Try reading corman/drostenreview.com/report/ (highlight the link and google search it)

Or find me a source for any purified and quantified sample of SARS-COV-2 so I can examine it. The virus doesn’t exist according to over 200 FOI requests made to scientific and government bodies around the world (list available again with an internet search).

Better still, find me a complete genome for SARS-Cov-2 which isn’t totally and utterly reliant on computer aided guesswork (Next Generation Sequencing) rather than hard graft scientifc research.You’ll find it doesn’t exist.

You want to move onto the global warming nonsense next?

Originally Posted by Rhinoguy
(igigi:) “Science resembles more a religion/cult than anything else.”

Wow. That’s the opposite of the truth. Try submitting your next research study containing statistically thorough data and interpretations to the double blind peer-review process conducted by your leading science publication. You should see how free from bias that process is after that experience. Your report will be torn to bits by multiple scholars who do not even know you. If its any good it will still be corrected for accuracy, and if its not then forget it you will not get it published. The whole point of the scientific method is to remove personal opinion and bias from the determination of provable scientific fact. If you think science is a political farce like politics is, then you have some serious study to do. Science is designed to be repeatable, rigorous, beyond personal opinion and unaffected by culture, religion, politics, or anything else. There have been fake studies before, but they are by far the minority of what goes in the science community.

Oh dear!

Modern “science” is proof by press release.

Nothing more, nothing less.
.
You want recent evidence of what I say? Explore the process the Corman/Drosten “paper” went through to get published in a peer reviewed journal (Eurosurveillance) to show the validity of the farcical RT-PCR “test” for SARS-CoV_2.

This “test” destroyed countless lives and businesses around the world - all in the name of science.

Try reading corman/drostenreview.com/report/ (highlight the link and google search it)

Or find me a source for any purified and quantified sample of SARS-COV-2 so I can examine it. The virus doesn’t exist according to over 200 FOI requests made to scientific and government bodies around the world (list available again with an internet search).

Better still, find me a complete genome for SARS-Cov-2 which isn’t totally and utterly reliant on computer aided guesswork (Next Generation Sequencing) rather than hard graft scientifc research.You’ll find it doesn’t exist.

You want to move onto the climate change nonsense next? They had to rename global warming as it isn’t warming but how can anyone deny climate change?

Of course the climate changes, but for the worse?

Originally Posted by thelonggame
Is nutrition science a thing?

What I don’t like is how something is “recommended” as the new healthy option then later reversed. Is any of this subject to the scientific method or are nutritionist just lone wolves espousing ideas.

Examples: Back in the 90’s bodybuilders were all about carbing up. Fast-forward to today and many from that period struggle with diabetes, obesity, and heart issues. More recently, soy milk was all the rave in the mid 2000’s (2005-2009). Then it became a no because of it’s impact on estrogen levels. Was any of this subject to the scientific method or no?

I’ve long (six months ago) come to understand that the issue with PE is it that success may not be repeatable. So no doctor is going to put, at a very minimum, his/her reputation on the line for it.

Take a look at the Mayo Clinic website for traction device to cure Peyronie’s disease. It’s marketed as RestoreX.

Originally Posted by Jimmybob55
Very kind of you to point that out. Did that make you feel better?

He’s on the right site to be a dick, I suppose.

Originally Posted by rap
He’s on the right site to be a dick, I suppose.

Warning to Rap (and others): debate the topic but do not attack the member.

Warning to everyone to get this thread back on topic, which is suspensory ligament. Start another thread if you want to debate scientific process and/or any specific studies.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

Originally Posted by rap
Take a look at the Mayo Clinic website for traction device to cure Peyronie’s disease. It’s marketed as RestoreX.

The device does look promising, but as an extender user who tried a few extra devices for correcting the bend, I’ve grown from it’s use, but never corrected the bend at all. Hanging is not correcting the bend either. I’m kinda thankful for my bend to the left is not that much pronunciated and then my upward bend is a blessing, even though it makes it difficult to measure BPEL at the correct angle since my dick on a full erection points to the heavens (in many ways haha).

On the ligament vs overall growth, I must say my dick grew longer not just ligament but as a whole, and it grew sideways a bit too (girth). So my experience shows it’s not just ligament, although ligament growth/stretch does happen too.


inicial 1996: BPEL 15cm (Margin of error +/- 0.5cm) MSEG: 14.1 cm

inicio extender (sept2012): 15,5cm BPEL /14,1cm MSEG --- Hanging: inicio: Ago 21 2022 21.0cm --- Ultima medicion: Sept 1 2022: 21.6cm BPEL x 15,1cm MSEG

Meta: 28cm BPEL x 21cm MSEG -- si, quiero tenerla mas gorda que tu vieja. jaja

Originally Posted by redmorsilla
The device does look promising, but as an extender user who tried a few extra devices for correcting the bend, I’ve grown from it’s use, but never corrected the bend at all. Hanging is not correcting the bend either. I’m kinda thankful for my bend to the left is not that much pronunciated and then my upward bend is a blessing, even though it makes it difficult to measure BPEL at the correct angle since my dick on a full erection points to the heavens (in many ways haha).

On the ligament vs overall growth, I must say my dick grew longer not just ligament but as a whole, and it grew sideways a bit too (girth). So my experience shows it’s not just ligament, although ligament growth/stretch does happen too.

I don’t have any noticeable result from anything re the bends yet, and I haven’t bought the RestorX - it looks a bit vicious to me.

I agree with you about girth. How can that be lig stretch?

Originally Posted by rap
I agree with you about girth. How can that be lig stretch?

IF I was doing hanging and going up in weight up to 22 kilos, I’m quite sure lig would grow sideways too (become stronger), so there is a lil bit of that, but the overall stretch also affects the rest of the dick so the expansion is kinda uniform, considering we’re applying force in just one direction.


inicial 1996: BPEL 15cm (Margin of error +/- 0.5cm) MSEG: 14.1 cm

inicio extender (sept2012): 15,5cm BPEL /14,1cm MSEG --- Hanging: inicio: Ago 21 2022 21.0cm --- Ultima medicion: Sept 1 2022: 21.6cm BPEL x 15,1cm MSEG

Meta: 28cm BPEL x 21cm MSEG -- si, quiero tenerla mas gorda que tu vieja. jaja

Originally Posted by redmorsilla

IF I was doing hanging and going up in weight up to 22 kilos, I’m quite sure lig would grow sideways too (become stronger), so there is a lil bit of that, but the overall stretch also affects the rest of the dick so the expansion is kinda uniform, considering we’re applying force in just one direction.

Girth gains do not come from the suspensory ligaments. Ligaments do not grow from PE the way that other tissue does.

Originally Posted by Cunny Linguist
so if it was only suspensory ligament stretching, where did my girth gains come from?

I guess first question would be was the girth gain uniform or mostly base girth gain? Devil’s advocate, possibly the buried part of your penis was thicker (very possible with a slightly tapered penis) and as you stretched the ligament and revealed that buried shaft, girth appeared to increase.

Originally Posted by boner7484

I guess first question would be was the girth gain uniform or mostly base girth gain? Devil’s advocate, possibly the buried part of your penis was thicker (very possible with a slightly tapered penis) and as you stretched the ligament and revealed that buried shaft, girth appeared to increase.

I have always measured mid girth and I’ve always had a pretty consistent girth along the whole length of my shaft.

Tim_Topple, your experiences that suggest your PE gains are isolated to your suspensory ligament might indicate that you need to tweak your techniques or change your regimen. Perhaps, you are just working out the kinks in your body and will start seeing gains elsewhere. If you are still stuck over a year later, you may benefit from starting a new thread describing your program, your results to date, and your goals.

I’m unsure why these days there is even a question of whether PE is ligament stretch alone or only temporary. This forum is full of testimonies overwhelmingly to the contrary.
As for my testimony, most of my gains were in 2014 and I kept my gains over the years until I resumed PE in 2020. I had both BPEL and MEG gains. My glans has also increased proportionately. My erection angle is unchanged (straight out perpendicular to body). My penis seems to grow in spurts that take months of work to start. I do not have enough data to know with certainty.
Lost gains might come from declining health, injury, or measurement discipline. Sometimes, if I measure during or right after a session, I can measure a full 0.25” larger in length and girth only for it all to disappear later that day or next week. I don’t consider it a gain until I have consistently and easily hit a measurement on rest days over the course of weeks. YMMV. Some have testified to some lost gains after stopping PE which might mean they could have benefited from a “cementing” training period or they need some exercise for erectile health.
I agree with igigi that money is not flowing into PE research because there is neither profit nor narrative to be gained. The device makers don’t need to shell out money on research to sell more devices and gubments can’t acquire more power by proving dicks can grow. I think there are a few research articles on PE, but their sample sizes were small and unhealthy to begin with. I most likely read about these articles here or on PEGym/Biohacker.

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