ModestoMan, it is great to receive a reply from you. I’ve read many of your post to other "PE theory" type threads, and I really enjoy reading your perspectives. I often "think" that your theory of what occurs in the ligs is more accurate than the opinion of others.
Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Nice article Kojack. My personal excitement about the findings you present here is somewhat dampened by my own lack of progress hanging under conditions that to fall within your recommended parameters.
I’m sorry to hear that. Certainly, more research is needed on all of the variables in hanging. Have you taken a deconditioning break lately? You probably have, since you stated that you’ve been within the recommended parameters. I know that you haven’t gained from it, but I feel great to have recommended a routine that is similar to what you have come up with.
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Achieving a 5% elongation once is different from achieving it repeatedly, especially after an initial growth spurt. As you said, the collagen starts to align to resist further elongation. At some point, strengthening happens faster than lengthening and the process grinds to a halt.
Yes, achieving a 5% elongation in one day would probably result in a ligament sprain, and damage to other penile tissues. That is not exactly what you mean though, right? You mean reaching it once after several days of accumulated stretch is not the same as…….? Well, I’m lost after that. Basically, after a guy’s BPFSL increases by 5.5% or more (just to be sure to be past 5.1%), it would probably be best to use an ADS for a couple of weeks, then take 2-3 months off, instead of merely continuing to cross that 5% mark. After the deconditioning break they can shoot for the next 5%. Again, this is just a theory.
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I think that the key to sustained growth is to apply the right amount of force so stimulate tissue production. That amount will be different for different guys. For me, it appears to be more than what an ADS can supply but less than what one gets with a vigorous hanging regimen.
I do agree with you about finding the right amount of weight. Nevertheless, I believe that the weight needs to be more, or less, depending on the amount of hang time. Also, I believe that some men have ligs that naturally have a larger cross-section. Do we all have the same size acl, or other ligament, no. Basically, they are wider and will probably need a tad bit more weight. Still, I don’t think that the increase in weight should be drastic. It may be .5 lbs. or 1 - 2 lbs. Regardless, I believe that the basic physiology behind ligament elongation will be the same for every man. Sure, some tweaking of weight and time may be needed, but the principles behind it all will be the same, once they are finally narrowed down. We know them now, but in the broad sense.
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In my experience it’s more effective to hang (or stretch) several times over the course of a day than to hang (or stretch) for a long time in one big block. Maybe this is consistent with what you’re saying.
You may be right. This is sort of what I was tying to say in that it will take the ligs 10 times the hang time in order for the stretch to be lost, so by doing am/pm PE, or by doing session spread out over the day, one keeps starting over his "10 X the hang-time lig clock". Yet, I must mention that physical therapist us the "Dynamic splinting" method to create plastic deformation in a ligament also. This is the light weigth x long duration method, 6 - 12 hours each day, with no rest days. On the other hand, I’ve recently found a physical therapy program outline that recommends three 20 minute sessions spread out over the day, with heat applied during the first half of the set, and cold during the second half. This routine was also said to induce plastic deformation. I must add that the force recommended for the 20 minutes was "as much as the patient can tolerate". (CAUTION- this was for a leg, arm, shoulder, knee, etc…. with much fewer nerves etc… ) This is in contrast to the light weight long duration method. I believe that heating and cooling are major factors here that make this shorter duration successful. Bib did use heat throughout the first half of his am sets, then cooled at room temperature for the remainder of the set. Heating and cooling is not mentioned with the dynamic splinting method. I would still use heat when possible though.
I must mention that time and time again, I’m reading that long-duration stretches are superior for inducing plastic deformation in a ligament. What I need to learn is what is considered long-duration, and what is optimal for the suspensory ligament of the penis. After nailing down "time", we can then seek for ideal weight, which I believe will vary slightly for each individual.
This reminds me of the PPM theory mentioned by buby. Time and weight may be interchangeable. There is a chance that this is likely true for weights between 2.2 and 22 lbs. or 1 to 10 kg, I’m contemplating this also. Graphs displaying creep do have a linear section, but the whole of it is not linear. Again, heavier weights may cause cell damage to other tissues aside from the ligs and require rest days. Negative PI’s anyone?
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I think that tissues strengthen when stretched for long periods, but they become more pliable when stretched for short times throughout the day. That’s what seems to work for me, anyway.
You may be right. I don’t have a definite answer for this. Possibly, all other tissue become more pliable, therefore making the ligs appear stiffer after a long stretch. Some elasticity will be lost as everything is hanging longer, and you may seem to reach the limit of the ligs quicker when stretching, after long periods. Those are just some ideas.
If anyone hasn’t read this thread More proof that long periods of hanging may be beneficial?
or this thread yet,
High force versus Low force I’d recommend that you do so. On the first thread mentioned, Bib writes something about that 5.1% mark. I’m not really the first one to mention that here. Also, the title of my thread should have been more along the lines of "Concerning Time", because the breakthrough in my eyes was about that 10 times the hang-time info. That was the first scientific information about the amount of time that it takes for a ligament to return to its normal length that I have ever seen.
Topics to look for: long duration/short duration stretching,
heating while hanging, and then cooling during the end of the set.