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>1.) I assume your dick post PE is very stretchy, springy, and elastic right?? <
Both before PE and now, I had/have a large amount of elastin fibers in my penis, otherwise known as a ‘grower’. But with 5-7 inches of flaccid hang, I think I am a grower and a shower.
So the answer is I have not noticed a greater degree of stretchability. I would go from say 1-6 before PE, and now go between an average of 6-11. Further, PE did stretch the elastin fibers, but did not take away the elastic qualities.
>1a) In other words, if one’s ligs don’t reach a fatigue state, you’re not doing dick…it’s all about fatigue right?<
No, I would not say that either. I have communicated with many guys that do not seem to reach fatigue. Some have gained that have never reported soreness. For ME, I felt like I was not getting the max benefit without the fatigue.
>2.) IOW through hanging are we just simply changing the structure of our ligaments from tight cords, to more elastic cords?
IOW, it seems to me there is a direct correlation to the elastic qualities of one’s flaccid penis and how big it will become erect.<
No. The ligs do not have very much elastin. The shaft generally has the most elastin which provides the contraction of the penis. The amount varies widely between races.
>3.)By strong do you mean “inelastic,” and weak meaning”elastic”?<
No, I mean the ability to resist fatigue, soreness, and ED. Also, a strengthening of erections.
>4.) By “work” do you mean total work in one’s hanging career?
For instance, I believe the quick 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch I gained FSL will be with me forever because of my higher set bracket and total work done in those 2 weeks.<
Yes.
>I think the length is a function of the amount of gained tissue,<
>5.)OK, it seems simple that length would come from tissue gained, but couldn’t it also come from your penis becoming more elastic?<
No, it does not work that way unless we are simply miscommunicating. OK, this will probably take more than one post. Let’s first get on the same plane with terms, then we can get more specific.
When you speak of elasticity, I think of the connective tissue made up of elastin, and referred to as elastin. OK?
Some ground rules:
Fibers made up of elastin tend to try and return to their original shape after a stress.
Fibers made up of a more collagenous material do not stretch very easily, and do not easily return to the original shape after a denaturing stress.
Elastin fibers may be stretched and permanently changed to a degree, until the tougher fibers of the ligs and tunica take the load. At that point, the elastin fibers will have little marginal stretch until the tougher fibers have been stretched, thereby placing a greater percentage of the stress on the elastin fibers.
The percentage of elastin will not increase or decrease within the penis. It can however become less elastic with age.
Now, to your question. There are many scenarios that can occur depending on the individual physiology.
One may have longer more elastic elastin fibers with a lot of available stretch, and short collagenous fibers that take the load.
One may have shorter elastin fibers which must be stretched before the longer collagenous fibers take the load.
And then every conceivable mix in between.
Whatever the situation, the elastic fibers, if they are a limiting factor, must be stretched first. Made longer. When they reach a certain length, the tougher fibers begin to take the load. I refer to this as the marginal stretch. This is what you are looking for and where true gains begin. Stretching or growing these tougher, more collagenous fibers. However, the elastin fibers still should have the ability to retract the penis after the stress is relieved.
Therefore, the answer is no, you will not actually get gains from your penis being more stretchy.
The following is probably your situation: First, you had shorter tough collagenous fiber as related to elastin fibers. IOW, the elastin fibers were not taking much stress when stretched. So then, you hang, and all the load is taken by the tougher fibers which elongate. As the tougher fibers become longer, the elastin fibers come into play more and more making your penis appear to have more spring.
I assume you are a shower?
>>while the strength is a matter of the quality, or lack thereof, of the tissue.<
6.)Explain what you mean by quality?? work done at Max weight or in the fatigued state?<
I was talking about the quality of the penis tissues.
>7.)No sabe. Try explaining it from another angle….Also I haven’t had to move up in weight yet, so don’t understand the whole concept yet.<
Ok. IMO, the strength gained over time; the ability to resist fatigue and soreness and injury; plateauing in gains, is both a good and bad thing. Good in that I could actually see my penis becoming healthier with the work. More vitality. Better circulation. Everything better. However, with this increased strength, more stress was required to cause tissue failure to cause further gains.
An analogy would be starting a workout program with a max bench of 100 lbs. Then working for six months and maxing at 200 lbs. You are in better condition, but future gains become tougher.
>Like I said above, I think the more elastic my penis becomes the longer it will get FSL, leading to a larger flaccid and larger Erect measurements.<
Well, the actual elasticity, the difference between ‘stretched flaccid lenght’ and ‘simple flaccid length’ should not increase tremendously. This would be a factor of the degree of elasticity of the elastin fibers. The tougher collagenous fibers should determine the amount of total erect gains, and stretched flaccid gains. This is if the elastin fibers are not a limiting factor, and I would not think they are for the vast majority of guys.
>>Certainly, if the gains are not “cemented” [Shortening]. The body tends to try and return to it’s former shape and qualities when the stresses are removed. Only the continuation of the stresses, for some period of time, train the tissues to remain in their new state permanently.<
8.)If this is true, theororeticaly, one could shorten their unit with lots of intermittent rest days?!! Shit….that’s not cool.<
No, not shorten, but rather simply the tendency to return to the previous length.
>9.)Based off this, I still don’t see why any rest is advocated…..as long as one was safe and smart about it. Even if you had to drop below 1/2 your max weight wouldn’t you be contributing to gains by say hanging even 20 mins on your rest day?<
Many guys have had great gains with this theory over the years. It does require being in tune with your body, and I would never recommend it for a newbie. The chance of injury increases dramatically in over stressed, overworked tissues.
Had I had the opportunity, I probably would have PEed on consecutive days until I reached total fatigue. Then, I would have rested until all soreness was gone and started another cycle. My privacy dictated my schedule.
Please understand, we attempt to place our bodies on our own sixty minute hour, twenty-four hour day, seven day week, etc. Each individual does not react to these parameters in the same way, and it is silly to attempt to conform our bodies to these man made clocks or calanders. That is why I preach to listen to your own body. It will tell you when to rest, when to work, how much work to do, and the intensity of the work.
Even more silly is to take someone else’s routine and try to apply it to our own bodies. Unless you are going to also use the other guys penis, this makes no sense. We all react to stresses differently, heal at different rates, etc. That is one thing that is overlooked. While controlled damage is being produced, the body can still be in a state of repair of previous damage. There is no reason to say that any one individual must absolutely have rest days to repair previous damage. Silly.
>10.)so the whole gaining “cycle” seems to go something like this…
a.)apply stress until fatigue is met
b.)lower weight. hang in fatigued state longer to bring about larger and more rapid gains until you can’t go below 1/2 max.
c.)Body goes into adaption phase making tissue physically longer
d.)cementing phase to prevent retraction?? <
Sounds pretty good.
>Explain “cementation” again….isn’t it in essence just keep hanging? keep on doing what you are doing, reaching fatigue and dropping weight right?
Yes, you may continue to hang for additional gains, or a lesser routine to only cement previous gains and limit new gains.
It seems if one did it right they would be constantly gaining and the new gains would cement the old ones…..<
The sentence above is exactly correct, IMO. After you reach your goals, then the ‘final cementation’ of the final gains would need to be done.
OK, I’m tired now.
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