Gaining at Higher Angles

The ligs aren’t just at the base area, they attach high at about half shaft. Neither stretching the ligs makes the penis more straight, what those pics actually show is that erect gains thanks to longer ligs are not possible.

This just isn’t true.

"The fundiform ligament springs from the front of the sheath of the Rectus abdominis and the linea alba; it splits into two fasciculi which encircle the root of the penis. The upper fibers of the suspensory ligament pass downward from the lower end of the linea alba, and the lower fibers from the symphysis pubis; together they form a strong fibrous band, which extends to the upper surface of the root, where it blends with the fascial sheath of the organ."

Also:

"The fundiform ligament is a thickening of the superficial fascia, and is superficial to the suspensory ligament. It extends from the linea alba of the lower abdominal wall and runs from the level of the pubic bone, laterally around the sides of the penis, and then joins at the base of the penis before going to the septum of the scrotum."

When I talk suspensory ligaments I am talking both structures. The fundiform is superficial meaning it is closer to the surface of the body, but it attaches to the supporting tissues of the scrotum. That means the suspensory ligament proper is much further back on the base.

Here is an actual picture of an intact suspensory ligament. Warning: this is a actual picture of the open pubic cavity and is kind of gross. But you can see that the penile suspensory ligament is way back in there, probably even further back than I have drawn it.

Also, I have actually seen this anatomy on cadavers with my own two eyes, it does not extend half way down the shaft.

And I’m not sure what you mean by it shows that it will not cause elongation, it shows that it will cause elongation pretty much irrespective of attachment point.

What is not true? I don’t understand your point.

That the suspensory ligament proper attaches half way up the shaft. It attaches to the tunica deep inside the body.

Root, my friend, what I am saying that the suspensory ligs go as far as about midshaft, centimeter more ore less. Hope this image is clear enough. You can also see the ligs of several pornstars who have them prominent, for example Chris Strokes.

I don’t understand, that picture shows the suspensory ligament attaching way far back at the extreme base of the internal penis. None of the fibers even attach beyond the surface of the body in that picture. I think maybe you are not noticing the dotted line that goes from the title “suspensory lig.” to the fibrous structure descending from the pubic bone where it says “dorsal vein of the penis.” The ligaments visible on Criss Strokes is the fundiform ligament, it splits into two parts and wraps around the penis like a sling, but does not attach to it (is not continuous with the tunica). The fundiform ligament, as I posted above, is more superficial than the suspensory ligament as well.

Deep or not continous or not doesn’t make any difference for what we are saying. And ‘attaches’, it means there are two points of attachements. One is the pubic symphisis, the other part the shaft of the penis. The function of the ligs is not to prevent your penis from falling out, but to give it balance, basically; if you completely cut the ligs, part of the shaft could go inside the scrotum, not ‘exposed’ so augmenting the erect length.

. It is important to emphasize that the release of the suspensory ligament does not itself cause length gain. .
http://www.meds … warticle/502344

When ligs are completely stretche, In flaccid state, the penis hangs lower; in erect state though it will rotate around the base like a pivot so the apparent length gain will disappear.

It is ironic that so much has been written about ‘ligs gains’, because to have ligs gains you just should wait to become older; with thime, ligs and skin are stretched out, so the penis hangs lower. But older guys don’t gain erect length because of that.

Also, Rootsnatty, your are taking as a source a guy who performs penis enlargement surgeries, in case you didnt’ notice. Just saying.

This is a case of my ignorance is bliss. If I had read things like this prior to hanging I probably would not have done hanging and probably not so much focus on feeling for soreness in what I consider to be the ligs that are above the exit point of my penis.. Yet I am glad that I didn’t read things like this.

That’s what I call a well thought argument. :mutley:

So marinera what would you say are the best stretches for length up to date that you have discovered through all your PE experience and readings? That solely target the tunica for gains.

SO and SD for simple stretches, side and downward fulcrum stretches. The same applies to stretchers and hangers of course.

BTW, I am not saying the ligs don’t grow; they do grow like everything else I suppose, with the proper stimulus. What I am saying is that ligs gains, alone, won’t give any measurable erect gain.

If the attachment points between the shaft and the pubic bone are secure enough to decide the length of the exposed penis, then how does the extra inch show up past the exit point and between the attachment point on the shaft and the end of the penis?

Your Comparison.jpg (rootsnatty) shows a lengthened suspensory that is roughly an inch longer, so it hangs an inch lower but somehow you’ve drawn it connecting an inch further into the body, exposing more penis as a result. It seems like the attachment to the shaft moves?

It seems to me that gains in length more likely come from tissues increasing between the attachment point (that doesn’t move) and the end of the penis. I am no doctor, and can’t quote studies to back anything up. I am basing this opinion on my limited understanding of anatomy as well as my own experience in gaining about 1.75” in length from of extending exclusively straight out, which has shown no change in exit point, no change in erection angle and no sign of exposed ligs.

Also, I have always seemed to point to the left (pre-pe) not a curve but exit pointing at a slight angle to the left (true north instead of magnetic north ;) ). My understanding is that is likely caused by ligs on the left side being shorter than the right. I would have expected, if the ligs were being changed attributed to growth, for them to have equaled out by now, but I still point slightly left.

I agree with everything you are saying, but that is not my point. It is not a matter of holding the penis in because I am not talking about length gain because of the horizontal movement of the entire penis shaft, but rather the vertical movement of the exit point. If the suspensory and fundiform ligaments are longer the penis will exit lower. I don’t think that is disputable. If the penis exits lower, the parts of the corpora cavernosa that are inside your body will be straighter and therefore more will be outside. Because, as you said, the extreme base of the CC is anchored on the inside and can’t very well move backwards. That combined with the inward curve of the surface of the body in that area will expose even more.

Also, if this was not the case, lig snipping would NEVER cause length gain in the erect or horizontally stretched state. It often does cause erect length gains, so if the only change is the cut suspensory ligament, that has to be the cause.

The reason some men don’t realize length gains is that the suspensory ligament has a VERY high probability of reattaching higher up on the shaft, actually reducing length. The article you posted discusses this. And I believe the quote you posted isn’t referring to some other mechanism that causes the length gains after the surgery, but that it will likely be unsuccessful if traction isn’t applied post-op to prevent the above reattachment complication.

All that said, lig snipping is a bad idea due to the complication rate. And the fact that you are having an operation performed on your penis.

They will not be straighter. You are supposing as proven the point you need to prove. I think just basing on common sense there is no reason the ligs should be shorter than what is required, in most of men. Kinda like everybody gots a buried penis: that is merchandising. I think you are willing to believe that that is true, but if you re-examine the evidence at our disposal you’ll realize that cutting the ligs won’t add any erect length.