Gaining at Higher Angles

You are correct that I didn’t draw the lig attachment in exactly the same place. I should have measured to get that part right. But the lig attachment place isn’t the issue, as the lig lengthens, this point will move closer and closer to the surface of the body. In some anatomies like neverenough9’s, the lig gets so close to the surface that it actually protrudes and looks like, as he accurately describes it, “an upside down turkey neck.” This, however, is uncommon as the suspensory ligament proper is very deep inside the pelvic cavity. The two ligaments you sometimes see protruding in pornstars on the sides of the penis are actually one ligament, the fundiform ligament, which is much closer to the surface.

The reason you have had the experience you have had is that you have mostly extended straight out, focusing the stretch force on the tunica, not an ideal angle to produce lig lengthening.

Don’t get me wrong you can gain both ways, but my point is that lig lengthening will produce results as well as tunica lengthening.

Maybe I should make a 3D model to better illustrate this?

I am not supposing that. There is undoubtedly a great deal of variation in anatomy. But among the subset of men who do have short ligs, then lengthening them will produce a lower exit point. There is probably some evolutionary reason why the ligs hold the penis to the pubic bone and don’t allow it to be completely straight within the body. Or maybe there is no longer any good reason, like the appendix. The important thing is that this anatomy does happen. I have seen this in cadavers.

This is a very weak argument. Based on common sense so many people wouldn’t have poor vision. Think about what a huge liability that would have been to our ancestors.

There is no reason for people to be born with congenital heart defects. The reality is things happen and we have differences in our anatomy. I would be astounded if there is any one body part that we all have that is the exact same dimensions or ratio of dimensions to body parts around each other. Just look at the world there is wide deviations and there are many things that defy some sort of reason as if someone just designed us on an assembly line.

This is another area in which I seem to need enlightenment… Nothing I have seen in any anatomical picture has shown me that there is a way one can focus the stretch of a force on a specific area. If I pull on the end of my penis, it will only pull so far, something is stopping it inside. 2 points, equal force between them and at both ends. If its the ligs “holding” one end, how can the force be applied to just the ligs or to not the ligs? To me that is like saying you can pull the leash of a sleeping dog, dragging the dog across the floor, pull one way and you target just the leash, pull another and you only move the dog without adding force to the leash. That doesn’t make sense to me, something is missing. Short of reaching in and grabbing the end of a lig, how else does one target a lig without equally targeting the shaft? and if it is the lig “holding” the other end of the tunica, how could you ever get force on the tunica without getting equal force on the lig?

What piece am I missing with this focusing force on certain areas theory? I’m not usually mechanically challenged ;) but I am obviously missing something here.

I personally believe it is almost impossible to isolate any one area. This is something us hangers discuss quite a bit.

However, I don’t doubt that certain angles focus more stress on certain areas. Same with different devices or adding fulcrums will change the level of stress to different areas.

I can only go from what I feel. I have very limited experience with SO hanging. But it feels very different that SD and BTC hanging. BTC hanging and SD hanging have some similarity but with BTC hanging I can feel the areas above my shaft exit point far more pronounced. This is not a skin feeling. This is a deep feeling as something is being pulled and stretched. The next day this is where I feel the soreness. For me this feeling fans outward and up.

I am not the only BTC hanger who describes this experience. Again this is purely what I am feeling and is not as precise as doing an xray or MRI while hanging. But it is the only thing I have to go off of.

I know you are not mechanically challenged, just look at your extenders! :) I wish there was a good 3D model so I could photo it and show this, but I will do my best to explain with words.

Ok, so all dense regular connective tissue - this includes the tunica, suspensory ligament proper, and the fundiform ligament - have parallel fibers aligned in one direction. This allows them to stretch and resist force very well in only one direction. Because the suspensory ligament is perpendicular to to penis, it is not primarily responsible for resisting elongation in the horizontal (straight out) direction. It does contribute, but it is not the the main “anchor.” The connection of the tunica to the inferior pubic ramus (a pelvis region where the pubis attached to the ischium) serves as this anchor point and the tunica with its longitudinally-aligned fibers (it has circumferential fibers as well, but they are not good at resisting in the longitudinal direction) is doing a majority of the stretching and resisting between your hand/extender and the inferior pubic ramus. When the force is applied in the vertical direction the suspensory ligament gets its time to shine as the anchor point against a vertically applied force is the pubic symphysis and the linea alba, both located above the penis. The fibers of the suspensory ligament run in this direction (vertical). The tunica, of course, contributes here as well, but a much greater share of the load is carried by the suspensory ligament.

So your analogy of two points is a good one, but it is important that ,depending on the angle of stretch, these points actually change.

Cantlook just something on the side. These discussions or arguments that everyone engages in get really frustrating to me. I honestly don’t have the knowledge to explain why something works or doesn’t work. I only have my experience. Hanging has worked for me very well.
It is the only thing that has worked for me after 20 plus years of off and on PE. I know that the majority of those years I wasn’t dedicated. However, when things have failed for many years and I find something that works for me it completely changes my outlook on things. I do feel that I come off as a hanging cult member.

People can tell my why hanging isn’t effective or why the method that I am using isn’t effective but after almost a year of hanging I gained almost 1/4 inch in just this month. Roots and I have discussed this and perhaps I got the benefit of an unplanned decon break. But still to me that is very impressive considering that these aren’t newbie gains anymore.

I have also gained in flaccid and erect measurement. If it is true that I am wasting my time targeting my ligs then imagine if the majority of the stress was targeting the tunica and that is what would really get me gains. Would I have gained more than 1/2 an inch in one month if I was actually doing things right instead of wasting time on ligs. I find that hard to believe.

Regretfully there is no way that I know of to prove that I am targeting my ligs. I can only go off of what I feel. Nobody else knows what I feel when I hang. The closest someone can get is a fellow BTC hanger and then they have an idea and usually they feel the same thing.

With the exception being people that have low exit points. They actually don’t feel what I feel. Again maybe that is a huge coincidence but to me it just reinforces what I believe.

I do apologize if I come of as an ass sometimes. It is just I know this works for me. I don’t know why it works but instead of worrying about that I just keep doing what helps me gain.

Someone could come here and tell you PE doesn’t work. However, you know it does. It doesn’t matter if they have the greatest logic in the world with diagrams and doctors backing up their facts. You know to your core it works because it works for you. That is exactly how I feel about hanging.

Correct. There will always be a certain proportion carried by the different connective tissues, but we can change this proportion significantly with the angle we choose.

Absolutely, all that matters is what works for you. You really have to try hanging straight down or (especially) between the cheeks at a decent relative intensity to understand the feeling of targeting the ligs. I have tried both straight out and between the cheeks, and the feeling is incredibly different in terms of where it is focused. When you are a hanger and have experienced these things first hand, it becomes hard to dispute. At least hard to dispute with yourself.

Also, I have tried extending with my extender pointed straight down and manual stretching (even really hard stretching) straight down and between the cheeks, but nothing compares to the feeling I get from hanging in my suspensory and funiform ligaments. On a good set I can feel the pull all the way up the fundiform to my lower abs and an intense discomfort in the smaller suspensory ligament deep and on the dorsal side of my shaft. There is really nothing like it.

How many have a shorter than needed ligament, say in theirs arm or leg? That is a better example. Beside that, as said many times with the needed backup, the penis is anchored to your body from the inside, not by ny ligament. Your penis, inside your body, splits in two parts who are tied to the ischiopubic rami. This is what keeping the penis attached to your body. Ligament simply don’t have the function of keeping the penis inside the body.

No one said that hanging doesn’t work either. That I am aware of.

I hear you. I find it frustrating at times as well. There is no doubt to me that PE works, but I personally feel there is possibly a more effective method than what we currently have “on paper”. If I need milk, I know I can get it from the corner store, but just because I’ve always shopped for milk by putting on three pairs of pants, five shirts, and carrying a cat in your left pocket and a roller-skate on my dominant foot doesn’t mean that’s necessarily the best way. ;) I only jump into these discussions with the hopes that my experience may bring something to light that may rule out a previous misconception or confirm a suspicion of someone smarter than me. I don’t know any more than anyone else, other than, like you, my own experience, and I try to leave my ego at the door.

If one day we can refine this process enough all this frustration might be worth it. :)

A great deal of people. Connective tissue is one of the primary factors in flexibility, and many people are more flexible than others. There will always be variation in these things.

And you are right, it is anchored on each side to one of the inferior pubic rami, and the ligament doesn’t hold the penis inside the body as I just explained to cantlook (or tried to), but the suspensory ligaments (both of them) do control how high vertically the penis is held inside the body. And that is the most simple way to describe what my initial illustrations and model were predicated upon.

So you’re saying that’s not the best way to get milk?! And to think, I’ve been doing it wrong for all these years! ;)

I also wonder what the most effective way is but the problem is that different methods seem to have varying degrees of effectiveness from one person to another.

Heck people can’t even agree on whether less is more is better than more is more approach. Of all things that would seem like the easiest thing to tackle with all the data out there.

Then you throw in different people’s dedication levels, individuals risk vs reward, discomfort tolerance, people that lie, and who know how many other variables before we even get to individual anatomical differences.

Then we top of the confusion with all the anecdotal evidence and bro science that we all rely on and no wonder we can’t agree.

I can say that I do notice certain patterns with people with high exit points and hanging. But I have no actual data so like most other things it is flimsy at best.