Hardcore Starter Bib

Why do you think that the new starter is better for tunica gains than the “old” starter?
As far as I know, the new ´starter has the same dimensions like the “old” one.

Simon,while I can’t speak for Dino,I think he was comparing the new HC Starter to the regular bib, and not the “old”starter.

Can someone tell me what the diff is between the hardcore hanger and the bib hanger I see the price is diff but what else.

It’s a complete redesign.

No padding, new internal configuration, smaller. Much, much better.

Very good hanger.
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Does the no padding hurt more than the original. If I never used one could I just buy the hardcore hanger instead of the bib hanger.

First, you MUST get a technique for wrapping - this requires patience and practice. No exceptions.

The lack of padding makes it better, actually.

I do believe Bib prefers you have hanging experience for using the Hardcode (was called the Bib Beta).
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Is there a difference between the Starter and the “Hardcore” Starter I keep hearing about?

From the website I have (), there are two products offered, but no mention of a “hardcore” starter, just a starter.

Are they one in the same?

Try this link: http://www.bibh … r.com/order.htm

Both Starters are available.

Yeah he does mention it is for advanced hangers but if I could save the money I would like to try the hardcore one. What do you think?

Here is my $.02. I think the Hardcore Starter forces you to do things correct, such as wrapping, tightening, etc. The regular starter, IMO, allows you to be more sloppy in attaching it. The Hardcore model pullls more directly for me.

In short, it will force you to do things right, at least that’s my experience.

How do I order one using a credit card? Is mailing a money order the only option?

I purchased mine off Bib’s site using PayPal.

I too feel more of a full dick stretch with the HCS, my first Bib is the original.

Going from that one to the HCS was a big improvement. I don’t have to crank down it as much as I did with the original.

I know I’ve already made some gains with the HCS, I just haven’t measured yet, I’m waiting till I’m ready to measure again. The next time I put a ruler up I want it too at least read a 1/4” to a 1/2” increase. Till I feel it in my gut that I’ve reached that goal, no ruler.

Once I reach that goal, I’ll also take pics again, I haven’t taken any since Jul 06 when I was at 6.5” BPEL.

I am getting more and more comfortable in the HCS everytime I wear it. Little tweaks here and there to increase the comfort level.

I wish gains upon all of you!!!

I agree with Mr. Nine. When I first got my Hardcore Starter, and wrapped like I used to with my home made hangers, I was not impressed. BUT when I started using Theraband as a wrap and “learned how to do it correctly” It works exactly as BIB told me in my private emails with him, “I holds like a mother” and he was absolutely RIGHT! I couldn’t believe it, it doesn’t even slip with 30#!!!

Very interesting. Can anyone compare the hardcore starter to the standard starter? Funny thing, I have a regular and two starters. If I could simply rip the padding out of the starter and have a comparable experience to the hardcore, I’d consider it.

This is very intriguing to me. I was just talking to BIB over PM about how the hanger always seems to slip and ride way down on my head even when the thing is cranked fully closed. I now have dropped the theraband wrap and just use sweatshirt but I wonder if the HC starter would be thing for me especially since I need to focus on the tunica and septum primarily.

Anybody have any gains to report with the HC starter yet? Good thread.