How about no rest days?

Pushing yourself to injury and pushing yourself to ED are two different monsters Dick. You can do want you want personally, but don’t start spreading you opinion about ignoring ED here.

I do not know about all these theories. I red lots of threads and lots of theories, but i think everybody is different and everybody reacts different to the different excercise. I am a natural bodybuilder and i am doing this almost 25 years, tried lot of theories got nowhere years later i found out importence of rest, thanks to Mike Mentzer, i grow somewhat then again no muscle growth at all, still did not know what to do, until i found out a another theorie in the book called The power of ten. Man this theorie works for me, within a year i drop 10% body fat and grow huge muscles and this is only 20 minutes workout per week.What i want to say i feel good about hanging and i got positieve pi from hanging and rest days. I do not know how much i am going to grow but it feels good and my erection is beter then ever.

Let’s put it this way: if you create little micro-tears, but never allow the body the chance to fill them in - how on earth will the end result be a longer dick?

Speak for yourself, Dick Builder. I want both. I don’t want a larger dick at the cost of poorer performance.

The concept of PIs has been useful for me, so at least for me, awareness and use of PIs is not ‘utter fucking nonsense’. As for "You probably won’t find it discussed anywhere else", you would be wrong on that, as a visit to other web sites that discuss PE will easily demonstrate.

ED is not the sole dimension to PIs, Dick Builder.

True, there are many reasons why a man may experience ED. But as I said earlier, ED is only one dimension to PIs. And your statement that ‘using ED as a guide to the intensity of your PE routine is dangerous’ is illogical, and does not correspond with PI theory. No one is saying that, absent ED, you can go as wild as you want to with your routine.

And no one is saying that having ED is a reason not to PE. As a matter of fact, in the thread Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!, in post #92, SparkyX himself talks about PIs are being relative to the individual’s own EQ baseline:

Fatigue (or the sensation of fatigue) could be considered an element of PI. So, if you’re regulating the frequency and intensity of your hanging routine based on that and what size responses you’re seeing… I hate to break it to you, but you’re using PIs too.

Oh my god! I’ve made so many of you angry, including (to my astonishment) the almighty Thunder. Please forgive me! I didn’t know that not excepting PI gospel into my heart would be akin to encouraging people to fuck up their dick until it is utterly useless or ignoring ED. I just didn’t know!

I promise to always prostrate myself to the altar of PI and will dedicate my life to only supporting routines that produce a larger flaccid hang (lasting all day) and increased night and morning wood - both positive PI’s and the holy gospel of Thunders place.

But, please, please help me with my newfound conversion. I’m still a misguided hanger and have but just a few simple questions: If my routine doesn’t produce increased morning wood or a larger flaccid (lasting all day) should I reduce the weight I hang, take a break for a few days or would you suggest a two month decon break? The breaks are so confusing to me, and the original poster! Heaven forbid I experience decreased hardness of erections - a negative PI. I don’t know what I’d do then! Please! Would you then advise giving up hanging altogether and start ballooning? Yea, yea, that’s got to be it, ballooning right? Or, maybe I should do fowfers instead of hanging? I’m so confused.

I’ve already given up my immoral life of traditional hanging and have thrown away all knowledge and understanding of managing fatigue and have accepted the PI gospel. I structured a hanging routine that monitors my morning wood, flaccid hang and the hardness of my erections instead of fatigue. Wish me luck brothers. I had good wood this morning. So, I’m upping the weight I hang and the number of sets tomorrow. I want to find the right balance in the state of my erections in order for me to achieve good growth. You know what the prophet said:

And,

To show my loyalty I even hacked off the evil length and girth I’ve achieved through my wicked, wicked ways. I wanted to start afresh and anew. You know, the PI way.

Please don’t ban me! I’ll conform! I promise! I even used the spell checker!

Wow! From 5.5 inches (at least I hope it’s inches, not centimeters) to 4.5 inches in only two months!!!

Please, tell me more about your excellent penis reduction program: my 8x6 seems to be getting just a tad too big these days…

GM

Managing fatigue is a good thing Dick. I am glad you figured it out, a lot of guys don’t ever get that. Now as for you being a smart ass, well, let’s just say it’s Christmas and ignore your mouth.

PI what’s this?

Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!

this is also VERY useful:

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Thanks marinera

There are two schools of thought on rest days. I follow the training method recomended by Bib of No Rest Days. Since discarding the rest days method, I have actually gained quite a bit. Rest days were for me a total waste of time.

I seem to remember Bigger taking the weekend off back when he was hanging. Could be my old brain playing tricks on me though.

I am sure he had experimented, at this time he advocates via his forum no rest days. He states that the tissue will attempt to heal back or revert back to the previous state. In other words, resist gains in length. In my own words, I would explain it as rebuilding the micro tears to exactly the same condition as before. That to me does not describe change which is the goal.

For those who would be interested in compromising or experimenting, hang light on the rest days. Bib suggests when fatigue has been obtained to high degree and hanging weight used previous day is difficult, one should decrease weight to pull the “folds” or areas of the tissue attempting to reform out so that healing will occur in the extended state. I believe simply put this means cells will multiply instead of replacing one for one.

I by no means want to sound like the other school of thought is wrong and my way is right. My experience leads me to disagree with rest days however all views should be viewed and considered. I think hanging does differ and require different training approaches. Mainly since the tissues are not being encouraged to grow as a result of inner pressure that occurs from exercises such as jelqing. Hanging is done in the non-erect state and the goal is to add length. Rest days with pressurized exercises is not just to allow for growth but in my opinion to prevent injury that can occur from over stressing the penis. These are very different kinds of stress in my opinion.

For those who feel irritated due to me offering my views, please don’t. I often try to look outside the box as well as inside the box. This type of thinking has not always made friends but often reveals some interesting solutions.

I hope my statements above make sense.

Hope all are having a merry Christmas.

Link to a statement from Bib about rest days for those who would be interested. More can be found explaining his concepts for why no rest days is counter productive on his forum.

Well, let me put it this way: Aside from tearing your dick off, your body is going to heal those little micro-tears regardless. Ones goal through hanging is to manipulate that healing process, not prevent it. If you simply reached fatigue (creating those little tears) then took a break, allowing your body to completely heal, that area will become stronger, in order to prevent further damage, and the end result will be a tougher but not necessarily a longer dick.

What you are trying to accomplish through managing fatigue is to strike a balance in your body’s healing process. You reopen the tears that have begun to heal and create more in different areas of the collagenous tissue. Those tears will eventually heal. However, they will heal in a longer state through repeatedly reopening them, instead of simply allowing them to heal unabated.

It is my understanding and experience that by taking breaks in my routine I am allowing my body to get ahead in the healing process, which prevents my effective management of fatigue.

When I take a couple days off, it takes about two more days of hanging in order for me to again reach fatigue. Oftentimes, it has also results in a temporary slight increase in weight. Just those two days completely disrupts the balance I’ve tried to obtain. I recently took about six weeks off from my normal hanging routine in order to focus on stretching skin. I had gained enough length that I no longer had sufficient skin to properly attach my hanger. When I recently returned to hanging it took almost a month, and an increase of about eight pounds, in order to again reach fatigue. Why? Because I let those micro-tears completely heal. In doing so, my body laid down more tissue, to prevent further damage, and I am now hanging almost double the weight in order to reach fatigue.

The technique of hanging and the theories behind it have been around for a long time. In fact, long before Thunders hit the internet; I didn’t invent them. This is just how I’ve interpreted and implemented them. And, since I’ve had the time to incorporate them into a routine this last year, my experience has fit in very nicely with those theories and techniques. That is why I suggest them.