Low LOTter's any success?

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I’m not saying I know your penis (nor aiming for ;) ), I’m just guessing basing on pics.

I don’t know about anyone else, but when I started PE I had a 6 o’clock LOT. Lots of hanging at upward angles later, it still hasn’t changed.

I don’t think anyone mentioned the silliest part of the LOT theory (no disrespect intended). If your LOT had something to do with gains, or your routine then…..wouldn’t it stand to reason that your LOT would change as your gains came?

That is the one thing that made me stop with the LOT silliness. I still refer to the ligs, and tunica simply cause they are areas of the penis that I feel while stretching. How much lig gains, and LOT have to do with it all…lets just say I’m skeptical.

Thanks to modestoman for your great posts, and write-ups debunking the LOT myth.

Just in case someone thinks I’m Bib bashing: I go to his site regularly and love the advice for wrapping, hanging, fulcrums, etc. I just don’t believe in the LOT theory. If my erection angle ever changes, then I’ll get on board again.

Hey 10inchadv. did you ever gain anything from your hanging?

This is frustrating. The See Saw Effect, it’s here somewhere. It’s really not that silly.

First, LOT does not necessarily contribute to your gains. It predicts whether or not you can gain by stretching your ligs BTC or SD.

A High LOT would mean that you have a high probability of inner tunica that could be exposed thus adding to your erection length.

I have already described earlier in this thread how one’s LOT would increase as they stretched the “tunica” not the ligs.

Yes your LOT may increase or it may not. It is entirely dependent on your ligs and tunica mass. If your ligs are strained by new tunica mass gained by stretching the tunica with RSDT, OTS, SO then your LOT should slowly begin to increase.

As I said before.

1) You stretch the ligs with BTC, SD

2) Once gains have slowed you stretch the tunica with OTS, RSDT, SO

3) If and when LOT increases you stretch ligs again

4) Continue stretching your tunica.

Dino’s LOT decrease because he only stretched his ligs with SD. Same with Bib. Neither did tunica work (Bib experimented with it and said the RSDT provides a great stretch) but most of their gains came from hanging at lower angles.

If they had began stretching the tunica their LOTs should have increased, but we’ll never know. They will not be stretching the tunica anytime soon, they’re happy with what they got. The LOT theory is validated by these two cases.

Again two people are not quite the sample size that would be great for this but Bib did manage to take polls. Based on those polls / research he stands behind his theory, for now.

For the moment, so do I.

LOT predicts how much one can gain by exposing their inner tunica. In order to expose the inner tunica one must stretch ligs.

They are NOT lig gains.

That may be a destructive coined phrase because your ligs do not contribute to your penis length. They are responsible for keeping the inner tunica behind the skin exit point, if there is much tissue their anyway to expose. Low LOTS are predicted not to have much tissue behind that point.

If you do not believe their is tunica tissue behind the skin exit point please refer to the pictures earlier in this thread.

Debunking LOT theory, I’d say you are playing favorites. It does not even look like you’ve read any of this.

I do not think you are disrepectful I just do not think you gave this a thorough read and a good chance.

Your erection angle will only change if you begin hanging SO, OTS, RSDT. Stretching your tunica. Also, your ligs will have to be strained by this new tissue, if you have long ligs it might be a while until they catch and resist. Once they do your angle goes up.

You’re not bashing, you’re just not listening.

Ok I’m done ranting. I have repeated myself over and over in half a dozen ways. Bib offers an even greater understanding of this theory and you do not even believe him. I think you have already made up your minds, regardless of what I have placed here before you.

The agruments you have provided do not undermine his theory nor are they validated by ANY evidence. Real people.

Where as Bib does have a group of individuals with High LOTs who did gain substantially BTC and SD and found their gains eventually came to a halt.

This is where he concluded one should begin stretching their tunica with higher angles because one had maxed out gains from BTC and SD because they had exposed the entirety of their inner penis.

Once one began stretching the tunica the lengthened ligs would then begin to resist again (one loses LOT as they hang BTC) and pull back on the tunica thus increasing erection angle and LOT. Increased tissue puts more strain on the ligs causing them to pull back (every action has a reaction). Then the person would have more potential to gain from BTC.

From your arguments it’s like you’re not even reading what I’m saying. Just pick and choose little things to listen to instead of grasping the entire picture.

Bingo. Did you gain anything?

Your LOT will not increase until you have made substantial gains with tunica stretching. You must strain your ligs with newly found / gained tunica mass. If they are not strained then they will not pull back harder and your LOT and erection angle will not change.

And your missing the point. Stretching the tunica is where it’s at for Low LOTs. Do not worry about your LOT it only refers to gains BTC and SD.

You should be focusing on SO, RSDT, SU, OTS. Stretch that bad boy, tear into the fiberic tissues that make up your CC, CS, Septum…your tunica.

You can’t come into this thread and read a few of the last posts and be caught up. A lot has transpired between page 1 and now.

What’s a ‘fiberic tissue’?

Thank You :)

Hanging does work despite LOT hypothesis. I’ve been saying that all along.

It only predicts one’s potential to gain from hanging BTC and SD. It is not always correct, but according to theory for the most part it is. That is why regardless of LOT you still hang BTC and SD your first several months of hanging. If you do not gain, there are still 4 or more other angles one can gain from.

High or Low LOTs can gain from RSDT, OTS, SU, SO.

Not everyone can gain from BTC and SD.

If BTC and SD fatigued the tunica, then it would do so with everyone. Everyone would gain SD and BTC.

However, they don't. But everyone does gain with RSDT, SO, SU, OTS provided they fatigue the tunica.

Why, because at some stress level the tunica deforms and fatigues. The tunica does stretch, it has too.

So if one is feeling fatigue SD BTC, it’s their ligs that are fatigued not their tunica.

Fatigued ligs only provide erection gains, or at least flaccid for sure, if their is inner penis to expose otherwise, no gains. Which explains why not everyone can gain BTC and SD.

I think the misconception here is that Low LOTs can't gain according to LOT theory.

WRONG.

Gosh I keep repeating myself.

It only predicts that Low LOTs will not gain much if any from hanging BTC and SD thus stretching ligs. That their gains will, must primarily be from stretching the tunica at higher angles SO, OTS, RSDT. That’s it.

You can still gain! and you are not limited by inner penis, the tunica is forever stretching.

Of course hanging will work despite LOT theory provided you stress the tunica.

But, it would be a shame to not realize your full potential for gains by believing that SD and BTC fatigues the tunica and then you keep applying more and more weight wondering why you're not gaining or why your gains have slowed to a complete stop… never knowing that you must progress to a new angle that “DOES” focus directly on fatiguing your tunica (RSDT, OTS, SO, SU).

I give up. How could you discredit the theory and not know what that is.

Also, out of all of that, it is this that you decided to question…

I give up. :(

‘What that is’ the theory? I think many here know that theory enough. I can’t understand why you feel hurted.

If LOT does not exist then the inner penis has nothing to do with gains, correct?

Then it must all come from stretching the tunica.

-Which is essentially what Bib’s theory states about Low LOTs but fuck it.

So you must find angles that stretch and fatigue the tunica.

-Which is also something the theory supports.

This is where there is a split.

-BTC and SD do not stretch the tunica according to theory.

Without theory, despite it, you believe it does.

-Though none have gained infinitely with BTC and SD, if at all.

Do you believe the tunica has a limit? it must have one if BTC and SD stretch the tunica and gains are stopped (which they are).

Most who have hanged BTC or SD have had no gains or great gains for a period of time then they stop.

Theory does not believe the tunica has a limit, it can be forever stretched horizontally or vertically.

So if BTC and SD only contributed to gains by stressing/fatiguing the tunica, gains should be infinite and possible to everyone.

That is if you also agreed the tunica has no limit.

If you do not please look at the number of girth gains in this thread all from stretching the tunica. Those appear to be infinite, i.e. Big Girtha just keeps getting bigger.

We do not have many if any hangers that did just focus on higher angles and stuck with the hanging program as vigilantly as say a girth gainer like Big Girtha. So I can’t use them.

WHICH IS WHY I ASKED ARE THERE ANY LOW LOTS WITH LENGTH GAINS. THAT HAVE FAILED GAINING BTC AND SD WITH THEIR LOW LOT AND HAVE GAINED WITH OTS,RSDT, SU,SO.

So if the tunica can be stretched as far as one wants just provided they add enough stress, then gaining potential from BTC and SD should be infinite according to what you are saying (BTC/SD stress tunica).

Theory disagrees, theory believes that their is potential from gaining BTC and SD determined by tunica behind the skin exit point, determining LOT determines probability that one will have greater or lower potential for gains from BTC SD. But those gains are restricted by the inner penis.

It does NOT restrict or predict gains from stretching the tunica at higher angles, the theory believes those are the angles to isolate and stress the tunica not BTC and SD. Also, that the tunica has no limits. Just occasional plateaus that must be overcome.

Yes, I gained over 1 inch from hanging, only .5” or so I believe from tunica hanging. Lig hanging gains came quite fast.

Do you know someone who has gained infinetely?

Big Girtha grew infinite? Are you sure?

This is a fallacy also: a bodypart can grow forever (or just a lot) per se, but a given stimulus can cease to be effective because the body is completely adapted to that stress. Ask to any trainer or Med.

Lig hanging came quite fast.

As it should have, the tissue is not nearly as tough as the tunica.

With only .5” in extra tunica length you haven’t yet reached the point where your ligs are strained by the new tissue.

Especially since you’ve gained an inch stretching ligs, it might at least take an inch or more to stress them. For them to pull back against the added weight and length. Then you should start seeing your erection angle slowly rise and LOT begin to increase. It’s not going to be dramatic but gradual just as your gains are. :)