Predicting Gains: Bib

Hi Bib-
In an old thread you briefly mentioned a way to roughly gauge how much growth one could expect through ligament stretching. I was intrigued but the thread sort of dried up. I’d love to hear more about it because I can’t really grasp how to execute this method of predicting lig gains. Anything you can say to elaborate - especially anatomical points of reference- would really help.
Here’s all of what you said in the old thread:

>>>Find your inner shaft, by feeling, directly under the pubic bone. Then, grasp the base of your shaft where it exits the body. The distance between those two points might give you a rough idea of how much you can gain. But you may get actually more gains as the inner tunica, on the body side of the ligs, is stretched also, and pulled out.<<<

Do I use the specific point where the inner penis meets the pubic bone as my first point of reference or am I supposed to go beyond/further than the pubic bone?
How much consideration do I give to “fat pad” in relation to where the penis exits the body? I know you intend this as a “rough” measure of lig potential but fat pad seems to have a big impact on what I’m willing/able to consider the “exit point” when trying this.
I’m assuming this a two handed maneuver — one hand inside/one outside at the same time?

Thanks
—-Cap

Cap,

>Do I use the specific point where the inner penis meets the pubic bone as my first point of reference or am I supposed to go beyond/further than the pubic bone?<

First, use one of the many anatomy diagrams to get an idea of how you are put together. The pubic bone is a part of the pelvic girdle. You need to palpate, find the sides and bottom of the pubic bone. You can either do this from the top, or frrom the bottom starting at the PC and working forward. You may have to palpate through the scrotum to find the very bottom of the pubic bone.

Also, you can use one hand to slightly stretch from the head and the other hand to palpate. This might be easier and clearer. With thumb and forefinger, you can trace the shaft, on either side of the shaft until you get to the bottom of the bone. This will be your potential exit point. Then, hold that point of the shaft between thumb and forefinger and grasp the base of your current exit point with the other hand. The difference will be a rough estimate of gains from lig stretch. But does not include additional inner penis length that could be pulled out.

>How much consideration do I give to “fat pad” in relation to where the penis exits the body?<

The fat pad will probably be about the same after lig stretch as before. It will be pulled down along with everything else. So I don’t see how it will be relevant.

>I know you intend this as a “rough” measure of lig potential but fat pad seems to have a big impact on what I’m willing/able to consider the “exit point” when trying this. <

Well, the skin adjusts to wherever the ligs position the penis, whether high or low. As far as I know, the fat pad does not influence the exit point. But I may not understand what you mean.

>I’m assuming this a two handed maneuver — one hand inside/one outside at the same time?<

That is correct.

Bigger

This is similar to a question I had earlier. What if you find a great deal of “inner material” but have a low LOT. Is there or isn’t there lig gain potential?

Cap, thanks for bringing this up. I am also very curious about it.

Bib, my question is, do you still feel your “inner penis”? When I get an erection, the inner penis also becomes erect and feels like it supports my erection. I’m imaging a floppy, uncontrollable erection without this inner penis.

Bib-
This makes much more sense now. Disregard my concerns about fat-pad - that was cleared up via your explanation.
I found that your suggestion about slightly stretching while holding the head with one hand and then feeling along the sides of the shaft with the other made this a much easier thing to execute.
For anyone interested- It seems that sitting while doing this helps as does going in through the top/back of the scrotum when following the “internal-shaft” to the bottom of the pubic bone.

Thanks Bib. This sheds light on lig work being largely about rearranging existing anatomy—it’s a big eye opener.
—-Cap

soflsun,

>This is similar to a question I had earlier. What if you find a great deal of “inner material” but have a low LOT. Is there or isn’t there lig gain potential?<

Do you mean inner penis between your anus and pubic bone? Or between your pubic bone and the exit point?

If the former, you might be able to stretch or grow tunica hanging at the upper angles from this material. If the later, you might want to recheck your LOT.

One other possibility; if your LOT truly is low, then it may simply be the skin pulling up your exit point. In that case, if the ligs are not a limiting factor, you could have some really easy gains from simple skin stretch at the base. I have never comtemplated this scenario before.

stevie,

>Bib, my question is, do you still feel your “inner penis”? When I get an erection, the inner penis also becomes erect and feels like it supports my erection. I’m imaging a floppy, uncontrollable erection without this inner penis.<

Sure I can still feel it. All the way back to my prostate, almost to my anus. You cannot, nor would it be wise, to pull the entire inner penis out. That is neither the goal nor healthy.

Using lig stretch, you are simply straightening out the curves caused by lig tension around the pubic bone hanging at the lower angles, and causing the normal stress induced growth of the entire shaft/tunica, including the inner shaft, when hanging at the upper angles.

Cap,

Glad I could help. The more a guy knows about himself, the more efficiently and effectively he can work.

Bigger

During hanging, I feel the ligs being stretched nicely. But after my hanging workout, I don’t feel any fatigue or soreness in the ligs.

However, when I get an erection, it feels like my inner penis (on the bottom, beyond the actual penis) got the most workout of all. It tends to be noticeably sore only with an erection.

Is this a good thing, or a common thing?

>>You cannot, nor would it be wise, to pull the entire inner penis out. That is neither the goal nor healthy.

This would be very hard to do, correct?

>One other possibility; if your LOT truly is low, then it may simply be the skin pulling up your exit point. In that case, if the ligs are not a limiting factor, you could have some really easy gains from simple skin stretch at the base. I have never comtemplated this scenario before. <

Bib, you may only be speculating here, but is there any reason to believe that such a fortuitous scenario might NOT be possible?

-Cap

SS,

>During hanging, I feel the ligs being stretched nicely. But after my hanging workout, I don’t feel any fatigue or soreness in the ligs.

However, when I get an erection, it feels like my inner penis (on the bottom, beyond the actual penis) got the most workout of all. It tends to be noticeably sore only with an erection.<

At what angle are you hanging and what is your LOT? During my hanging career, I felt many different things. I usually felt the work behind the balls hanging at the upper angles. And I felt soreness in the ligs when hanging the lower angles.

>This would be very hard to do, correct?<

Yes, I am sure it would take an extreme amount of acute force. Much more than could ever be delivered by hanging or stretching.

Cap,

>Bib, you may only be speculating here, but is there any reason to believe that such a fortuitous scenario might NOT be possible? <

I have learned over the years that almost anything is possible concerning the human body. Or almost anything organic. I would think that this scenario could be entirely possible. Perhaps not common, but entirely possible.

Bigger

Bib-
This offers a nice opportunity to ask you something I’ve been puzzling over.
On the subject of possibilities: Given the consensus (and science) that lig gains are the easiest gains to achieve, with BTC the most efficient way to achieve them, how far off the mark is it for a person to consider hanging BTC regardless of their LOT considering the tunica must experience deformation when hanging BTC anyway - it being positioned between the weight and the ligs? If this is true (I stress IF) and if we consider this along with unknowns, such as your speculation above, does it or does it not make hanging BTC the most prudent approach to gaining regardless of LOT?
I ask respectfully, as I have been known to overlook the obvious before.

Thanks (and Happy Thanksgiving before I forget)
—Cap

*IMHO - the scenario you contemplate would be like striking a PE vein of gold - which as you point out, has been known to happen.

Bigger,

>>At what angle are you hanging and what is your LOT?

While sitting on the edge of a chair, I’m hanging straight down. My LOT is roughly 8 o’clock. I’m hanging 3.5 lbs, 15 minutes per set, 3-4 sets. I’m using a toe-out setting, and the top gap is smaller than the bottom gap.

>>I usually felt the work behind the balls hanging at the upper angles

This is the area that I feel has been worked, after my workout. However, during my workout, I feel the ligs being stretched.

I was just making sure everything was OK with this. Maybe when I go up in weight, the ligs will get more of the post-workout feeling?

Cap,

>On the subject of possibilities: Given the consensus (and science) that lig gains are the easiest gains to achieve, with BTC the most efficient way to achieve them, how far off the mark is it for a person to consider hanging BTC regardless of their LOT considering the tunica must experience deformation when hanging BTC anyway - it being positioned between the weight and the ligs? If this is true (I stress IF) and if we consider this along with unknowns, such as your speculation above, does it or does it not make hanging BTC the most prudent approach to gaining regardless of LOT?<

No, you are leaving out a big part of tunica gains, the internal shaft. For most guys, especially just starting out, the inner shaft is much longer than the inner shaft. So, if a guy with a truely low LOT hangs BTC, the ligs will be taking stress without benefit. If that same guy with the low LOT were to hang OTS, then the entire shaft, inner and outer, would be benefiting from the stress.

I studied and worried over this for a long time with guys that were not gaining hanging BTC. Then after finding a way to quantify the function of the ligs in individual guys, and being able to recommend the higher angles to some guys, they began to gain. So far, there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence showing that the angle of hang, as related to LOT, is important as to the quantity and speed of gains.

SuperS,

>While sitting on the edge of a chair, I’m hanging straight down. My LOT is roughly 8 o’clock. I’m hanging 3.5 lbs, 15 minutes per set, 3-4 sets. I’m using a toe-out setting, and the top gap is smaller than the bottom gap. <

That sounds like a true BTC which should really be hitting the ligs. I think you have not experienced much fatigue because you are only hanging 3.5 lbs. But that is not a bad thing. Just go slow and increase the weight about 1-2 lbs per week until you begin to hit fatigue. At some point, you will probably be sore after hanging.

>This is the area that I feel has been worked, after my workout. However, during my workout, I feel the ligs being stretched.<

I just do not have an answer for this. I would say that the ligs are probably getting the work, and the inner soreness is a result of overall trauma, but I could easily be wrong.

>I was just making sure everything was OK with this. Maybe when I go up in weight, the ligs will get more of the post-workout feeling?<

I am sure they will.

Bigger

>So, if a guy with a truely low LOT hangs BTC, the ligs will be taking stress without benefit. If that same guy with the low LOT were to hang OTS, then the entire shaft, inner and outer, would be benefiting from the stress. <

Okay Bib. To be straight, my thinking was geared more toward a relative newcomer to hanging such as myself. As I see gains and my LOT is lowered my concern is that I’ll exhaust the benefits of lig stretch before I hit my goal (that’s what motivated the “prediction” question) and be forced to concentrate exclusively on tunica for gains. I’m being a bit selfish because I like BTC and find it easier to do - to say nothing of the fact that it is working slendidly; gains are coming.
I guess I’m guilty of a little wishful thinking: Once my LOT is tapped out there might still be some gains to be had from continuing at lower angles.
It was worth a shot :)

Thanks a million Bib
-Cap

Cap,

>As I see gains and my LOT is lowered my concern is that I’ll exhaust the benefits of lig stretch before I hit my goal (that’s what motivated the “prediction” question) and be forced to concentrate exclusively on tunica for gains. I’m being a bit selfish because I like BTC and find it easier to do - to say nothing of the fact that it is working slendidly; gains are coming.
I guess I’m guilty of a little wishful thinking: Once my LOT is tapped out there might still be some gains to be had from continuing at lower angles.<

I do not understand why everyone is so scared of the ability, or lack thereof, of gaining from tunica stretch/growth. I estimate that I gained about two inches from lig stretch, and 2.5 inches from tunica stretch. This is based on the relative distances of the tip of my head from my navel, before and after PE.

The only thing you should be concerned about is working to your greatest efficiency. If you have a low LOT, work the tunica. If you have a high LOT, work the ligs. There is no reason to worry about it whatsoever. Hell, even the low LOT, ligs and tunica of steel, man of the hour, SS4 has made gains from tunica stretch.

Bigger

Thanks Bib. :up: