Question for BIB

Bigger

First, thanks for taking the time to write all this out.

I cut some old sweatpants into 2” strips and wrapped with about 18” then with silver thera and was able to hang three sets with 15-20 lbs for 15-20 minutes each with no pain in the shaft skin and the ligaments carrying the weight. The black spots have already gone away, so I’ll stick with it and see what happens.

When do most people feel a stretch in their ligaments? I lie down for BTC and feel it when I sit up, stand up, and bend over.

Tex3

I had not thought much about this, but I researched vitamin C on wound healing, the more vitaminc C used the more the healing was catalized preportionally, there was a linear relationship. I concur with BIB, one may want to cut back on vitamin C to some degree per hanging efficiency.

Merlin

This is not the best of trade-offs.

I have been taking 3 grams of C daily for years and heard a lot more about it today on Kenneth Cooper’s radio program.

I’ll back off to 1 gram. Since I’m drinking 1.5l of water every day, any excess ought to leach out soon.

Tex3

Tex,

>When do most people feel a stretch in their ligaments? I lie down for BTC and feel it when I sit up, stand up, and bend over.<

Yes, I always felt the fatigue when I moved around, but sometimes I coulc feel it when being still.

>I’ll back off to 1 gram. Since I’m drinking 1.5l of water every day, any excess ought to leach out soon.<

Yes, very soon. Little Vit C is ever actually utilized by the body. At high doses, most is excreted from the body is a very little while. It is not stored as with fat soluble vitamins. See if you can ingest the one gram as long as possible from your PE workouts.

Bigger

With respect to the vitamin C issue, this is one vitamin that has some “dose issues”. I have read that the most effective way to take C is in 250 mg tabs several times thoughout the day. Taking the larger 1000mg tabs may just be throwing money away. Seems the body can best absorb and utilize this substance in relatively small dosages taken frequently. Odlly enough, these purportedly ideal size dosages (250 mg) are kinda hard to find on shelves. Apparently the vitamin industry likes to sell people more than they need, but no harm done physically. I don’t know if this means taking a 1000 mg tab is the functional equivalent of just taking a 250 mg tab, but it may actually be the case. Vit C is also rumored to leach calcium out of the system in high dosages, to what extent nutritionists never seem to agree. To further complicate the matter, taking calcium and vitamin C together has been said to interfere with the absorbtion of C. Merlin, now that you are back, I would really apppreciate some input on these matters if you have it. I take supplemental C (250 mg or a 1/2 cracked 500 mg) when under physical stress or have a cold, but never with a calcium tab or high calcium foods. How much C do you think folks are REALLY getting regardless of the dosages eaten? I haven’t a clue anymore so I generally eat less supp C and tend to eat alot of C foods (fruit, veg) and often wonder if absortion/bioavailibilty is actually greater from a real food source…or is it like the vitamin A thing in spinich? Again, any comments of clarification on these issues greatly appreciated. Thanx, groa

Originally posted by groa
With respect to the vitamin C issue, this is one vitamin that has some “dose issues”. I have read that the most effective way to take C is in 250 mg tabs several times thoughout the day.

I’ve never heard about this; so what about timed-release tablets?

Merlin, now that you are back, I would really apppreciate some input on these matters if you have it.

I also. What about vitamin C as mineral ascorbates and ascorbyl palmitate?

Again, any comments of clarification on these issues greatly appreciated. Thanx, groa

Ditto.

Tex3

Groa,

<Taking the larger 1000mg tabs may just be throwing money away. Seems the body can best absorb and utilize this substance in relatively small dosages taken frequently. Odlly enough, these purportedly ideal size dosages (250 mg) are kinda hard to find on shelves. >

Biological variability ascorbate dynamics. There are a range of theoretical doses from one individual to another based on size, genetics, environmental insults, extent of illness (flu and cold). these variables can result in a rather wide range of optimum levels. There is a way to determine your optimum by taking ascorbate until you reach bowel tolerance dose, at that point loose bowl movement results (laxative effect which is not necessarily bad). Vitamin C is absorbed unrestricted by the upper part of the intestive via a couple of mechanisme, it circulates and is absorbed by tissues where it is stored/utilized in this order adrenal glands, brain, liver, kidneys, spleen, eye fluids, muscle, etc. A vitamin C free diet results is 3% declines per day until the body stores reach a level consistent with scurvey.

There are no magical numbers such as 1000 mg, or 250 mg, you take it until bowel tolerance dose is reached than back off until no diarrhea. I have taken for example 5 to 6 gm daily for 25 years (and never get sick). You could take it twice a day if you wish, as divided doses of vitamins are more optimally used. When I use to have cold or flu early on I required higher doses to trigger bowel tolerance.

More later.

Merlin

Groa

<Odlly enough, these purportedly ideal size dosages (250 mg) are kinda hard to find on shelves. Apparently the vitamin industry likes to sell people more than they need, but no harm done physically. I don’t know if this means taking a 1000 mg tab is the functional equivalent of just taking a 250 mg tab, but it may actually be the case.>

Usually I have recommended a range of 500 mg to 5000 mg, titrated to bowel tolerance, each individual is different. 250 mg is hard to find, and it is true the vitamin industry errs on the very high side for supplement dosages. 500 to 1000 mg are easier to locate, you can go with that which will be satisfactory.

< Vit C is also rumored to leach calcium out of the system in high dosages, to what extent nutritionists never seem to agree. To further complicate the matter, taking calcium and vitamin C together has been said to interfere with the absorbtion of C.>

I personally am not aware of a deleterious side effect of leaching Ca, ascorbate is also sold as calcium ascorbate if you are concerned with this, however my feel is that this is not a significant concern.

<Merlin, now that you are back, I would really apppreciate some input on these matters if you have it. I take supplemental C (250 mg or a 1/2 cracked 500 mg) when under physical stress or have a cold, but never with a calcium tab or high calcium foods. How much C do you think folks are REALLY getting regardless of the dosages eaten?>

Again, in my work I have recommended 500 to 5000 mg, ascorbate is absorbed in the upper part of the intestines by simple diffusion or active transport, therefore Ca may compete with the active transport but not the diffusion.

<I haven’t a clue anymore so I generally eat less supp C and tend to eat alot of C foods (fruit, veg) and often wonder if absortion/bioavailibilty is actually greater from a real food source…or is it like the vitamin A thing in spinich? Again, any comments of clarification on these issues greatly appreciated. >

Vitamin C is easily absorbed, bioavailability would not be a concern as it may be with other nutrients.

I hope this is of some help.

Merlin