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I find it hard to understand how a person can gain significant length by stretching the ligaments. The ligaments, after all, are just the tissues that tether the penis to the pubic bone. I can understand how making them longer could cause the penis to hang lower, but I do not understand how it could make the penis come up higher. If the tip of your penis extends to your navel before stretching your ligs, it will extend no further after stretching your ligs.

Yet there are many people on this site who claim to gain substantial BPEL from lig stretching, particularly from hanging BTC. Why?

One explanation is that BTC hanging causes the penis to exit the body from a lower point on the abdomen, closer to the penis’ origin. A lowered exit point corresponds to a conversion of “inner penis” to “outer penis.” I understand that, but I doubt there are much to be gained from this conversion. Looking at the LOT Simulator and at any of the anatomy drawing I’ve seen, I would guess that a guy starting with normal anatomy could gain at most 1” BPEL from lig stretching. There simply is not that much inner penis to be converted.

What about guys who claim to gain 2 or more inches of BPEL through BTC (or SD) stretching?

One idea occurred to me recently. Last year, I downloaded an article from the PubMed (for a fee; can’t post it here) that provided a very detailed study of the suspensory ligaments of the penis. One thing that stuck in my mind was that certain strands of the susp. ligament actually align with and fuse with the longitudinal, dorsal strands of the tunica. As I let this idea sink in, it occurred to me that perhaps the entire dorsal surface of the tunica could be viewed as an extension of the suspensory ligament. In other words, it is possible to regard the susp. lig. as starting from the pubic bone and extending all the way to the tip of the tunica, just within the glans. Lig stretching may therefore be a very effective means for stretching the dorsal surface of the tunica, the tunica’s strongest and most resistant part.

It’s just an idea. This may remain a mystery until someone donates his body to PE research.

That’s a lot of length gain in my opinion! :)

But yes, what you’re saying makes sense.

Yes, but it’s largely phantom length. I say “phantom” because the penis doesn’t actually come out much further by lig stretching alone; it’s more that it exits lower, so you can push the ruler in further against the backward sloping pubic bone. You get a BPEL “gain” without appearing to have a much bigger dick.

Hmm, I must be missing something. I was thinking 1” NBP gain. Is there a diagram you could point me to that would make clear why NBP gains aren’t possible through lig stretching?

Oh, nevermind, I guess the LOT simulator is good for that (: I didn’t realize it had been made into a good interactive form like this.

I have no doubt that I pull my inner penis everytime I stretch, cause I can see it coming out about 1/4 inch, and it has more girth than the “outside” penis.

I see you found it.

I think you’ve got to be careful how you say this. You might gain 1” NBP from hanging BTC. Some of that gain may be attributable to stretching the ligament itself (not the tunica), but I believe most is attributable to tunica stretching. The part of the tunica that is stretched is the part directly beneath and forward of the susp. lig.

You might be able to arrange the simulator’s settings for lig length and attachment point to show you a 1” NBP gain without changing the shaft length. But I think it is difficult to achieve that in reality. You would really need to pull the shaft completely off the pubic bone. You’d also need to start with a very high attachment point and very short ligs.

This is why it makes more sense to me that people who gain from BTC hanging are actually stretching their tunicas more than their ligs. I wouldnt’ be surprised if there’s a stress concentration right in the area where the ligament’s fibers blend in with the shaft. Maybe we need one of Xeno’s strain ellipses to see this.

You are absolutely right, when gaining length by lig work, your tip will not be closer to your belly button than in the state/status before (state/status without lig stretching).
But your exit point will be lower, so you are measuring from a lower point which gives you more length on the ruler. People say, that these gains are not fake or phantom, these gains are real, allowing you to put more meat inside the woman.

MM, how do you address this point? Why does the base of the tunica thicken so much in response to being stretched out by low-angle hanging, when that doesn’t seem to happen with the rest of the shaft through any other form of penile stretching?

More girth does not necessarily imply a thicker tunica. I think you mean to say that the CCs get thicker.

To try to answer this question, I went back through my MRIs from last year. In reviewing the MRIs, it became clear to me that the girth of my flaccid penis was actually notably SMALLER under my pubic bone. In other words, I should see less girth at the base when I pull my flaccid penis out, not more. The MRI was taken after I had already been hanging BTC for about 6 months.

I’m not sure how to interpret what I saw on the MRI. It could be that the flaccid penis is simply less girthy under the pubic bone, or it could be that my legs were together during the imaging session and my penis was just being squeezed. At any rate, what I saw on the MRI is the opposite of what Nick666 is reporting.

I do concur with Nick, however, that my ERECT girth seems bigger under the pubic bone. My base girth has really grown from PE. I’m not sure whether it’s due to hanging or other exercises I’ve done, such as jelqing.

It is “common knowledge” that hanging increases base girth. If that common knowledge is truth, I confess that I’m not sure why. Possibly, the region of the tunica where the susp. lig. attaches becomes thicker in response to the stresses of hanging. I’m not sure why the penis would become girthier, however.

For guys who gain a great deal of length, I suppose it’s possible that the “inner penis” grows so much that the split between the three erectile bodies moves significantly forward. Those people might be seeing the chambers actually beginning to separate. One would have to gain a lot of length inside the body to see this, however.

Yet another possibility is that hanging actually induces a separation of the two CCs from each other. This is kind of a weird idea, but it’s not completely implausible since the crura are spread 2 or 3 inches apart where they anchor to the pelvis. Pulling on the shaft thus does tend to create a force that pulls the CCs apart.

… which leads to another idea. Since the crura anchor to opposite pelvic rami, pulling outward on the shaft induces a widening force at the base of the shaft. It looks like the right, outside surface of the right CC is pulled to the right, and the left, outside surface of the left CC is pulled to the left. The shaft in the middle is stretched width-wise. Over time, the width of the penis may grow in response to this force. I never thought if it this way before, but I think it makes sense. The crura don’t have to split, they just have to grow width-wise.

I sort of like this theory. It’s reasonably plausible and explains why only base girth increases.

I did. I’ve been really overworked recently and am not thinking/posting too straight :)

Yes, and that is one PE conventional-wisdom that has proven very true in my own case. Massive base girth gains with every length gain I’ve made through hanging. On the other hand, as I’ve said before, my experiences with hanging have been completly inconsistent with the whole LOT theory, so I’ve been interested in your investigations into these anatomical topics from the beginning. I think your analysis here makes a lot of sense. You are truly a PE pioneer :up:

But the inner penis wasnt girthier already even before starting PE? I mean it already had more girth, I just pulled it out.

I must also add that all my lenght gain(~0,7 inches) came from lig stretching. I dont think that in 5 weeks(the ONLY weeks I did PE) I managed to enlarge my outside shaft in lenght and make it 6.7 BP. The extra dick I`ve got at the base came from within me. That is what I think.

And I was somewhat sleep-deprived when I posted this, so I was oblivious to good tact.

~ This Netter drawing supports what you’re saying, Nick666. The penis’ girth in this picture is clearly greater inside the body, so "pulling the penis out" would tend to produce greater base girth.

Another thing to consider is that the ligaments themselves may get thicker in response to hanging. Since some of the ligaments attach to the sides of the shaft or even loop around (such as the fundiform lig.), thicker ligs will translate to greater base girth, at least to some degree. I don’t know whether it’s enough to account for what we see, but perhaps it’s a contributing factor.