Shaft Exit Point from the Body and BTC Hanging

Hi guys,

I’d like some opinions on something I’ve been thinking about recently.

The shaft of the penis can naturally exit the body at different points. For some men, especially those with an erection angle pointed at the ceiling, the exit point is high and others it’s low. I’ve read in a past post that those with a higher exit point have more potential for gains because they have more inner shaft to expose. IMHO the best way to expose this shaft is by hanging, particularly BTC hanging. The suspensory ligament is stretched and more shaft appears outside of the body. A hanger might start with a high exit point and after a year or two arrive at a low exit point.

Now what happens when the hanger stretches his ligament until he has a low exit point and continues to hang BTC? Does the ligament continue to stretch?

I’ve drawn out some diagrams and worked on a few crude models. It seems possible to me that after the ligament reaches a certain length, more and more of the stress is transferred to the upper shaft. Try drawing out an anchor point and a shaft linked to it by a line represented by a ligament. Draw the lines of force encountered during BTC hanging for a high exit and a low exit individual. Do you see how the suspensory ligament might initially take more than half of the weight and then as it is progressively stretched, the upper shaft takes more or most of the weight?

I’m asking all this for two reasons.

1) I wonder if it is optimal to change to another hanging angle when a hanger has achieved a low exit status; such as OTS or straight out. As stated above the answer to this is dependent on whether or not BTC hanging for a low exit man results in almost all upper shaft gains and no (or little) more ligament stretch.

2) Pre PE/hanging I naturally had a shaft that exited low from my body. Most of my 1.25 inch in gains I’m assuming are from actual shaft growth, because I didn’t change my exit point much and my erection angle stayed about the same, maybe a tad lower. So I’m curious if I might hang more efficiently if I switched from BTC to straight out or OTS, which are two angles that are supposed to target the shaft and not the ligs. My own experience seems to bear out the point that after a certain point, BTC (nearly) stops stretching the ligament.

It seems that if BTC hanging continually stretches the ligament then erection angles should eventually lower so much so that an erect penis will simply hang straight down (when the man is standing). I haven’t read of any situation where this occurred. True, erection angles have lowered, but not to an extreme extent, at least from the posts that I’ve read. On a related subject, I think it may be possible to increase one’s erection angle by solely hanging OTS.

Sorry for the long winded speech. It’s tough to describe and explain some of this stuff with words and no visuals. I hope I’m not just spewing nonsense that only the drunk guy, (yes YOU) can understand.

Peace,
HG

Exellent questions !
For me I just know a thing : tunica or shaft is the part the more difficult (more than ligs) for growing in lenght !
I know that stretching ligs give “speedly” result and after “conditioning” or “saturate” them , we must to focus on the shaft for more result ( ‘divide and conquer’ Bib theory).

For me , I hang in BTC and straight down .For the BTC , I feel in the beginning lot of stress but now it is conditioning and I feel I must to focus on the shaft now !
I don’t know what is the best position for isolate and stressing the shaft : I have hear the OTC or Straight out but I don’t know how to doing them precisely ? ( My english is very bad !!!!)
Could you help me please ?

Yazid,

There are various ways to hang straight out: seated in a chair and hanging the weight over the edge of the chair with the bottom of your hanger parallel to the floor, or using a long thin rope to hang the weight off the edge of your bed when you are sitting with your back against a wall on the bed. OTS I’ve also done in two ways, one is again using a long thin rope, hanging the weight over your shoulder and the edge of the bed which is near your head (you are lying down). Another way is to be seated in a chair and hang the weight over a door knob that is situated immediately behind you and over your shoulder. Of course you need a sturdy door knob and door.

In my experience OTS stresses the deep anchor points at the root of the shaft, while straight out stresses the shaft immediately within the body and also out of it.

Hope this helps,
HG

IMO, this is one of the best posts that has come down in a long time. I thought there would be a lot more posts on this, so I did not want to muddy the waters. I agree totally with everything HG has said. Except one thing.

>It seems that if BTC hanging continually stretches the ligament then erection angles should eventually lower so much so that an erect penis will simply hang straight down (when the man is standing). I haven’t read of any situation where this occurred. <

It would be very hard to do this, almost requiring a complete seperation of both the susp and fund ligs from the internal anchor points. Then, the integrity of the internal anchor points, the actual bulbs of the interior penis would have to be directed down over time. If these are already normal, it would be hard to go below a 9:00 erection.

Further, as you pointed out, the longer the ligs become, the more stress the tunica receives. At whatever point the ligs attach to the tunica for each individual, when the ligs become a certain length, even at a BTC angle, the amount of stress approaches zero on the ligs, and approaches 100% on the tunica.

>True, erection angles have lowered, but not to an extreme extent, at least from the posts that I’ve read. On a related subject, I think it may be possible to increase one’s erection angle by solely hanging OTS.<

This is an extremely interesting theory. While I like my erection angle now, others have expressed an interest in keeping a high angle. It would be interesting to know if only upper angle hanging, OTS etc, could produce this. Of course, you would not get the rapid gains from a lengthening of the susp lig, but you could possibly still pull out penis, or lengthen the tunica, while keeping the ligs at the same length and possibly raise the angle.

Really great post HG.

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Thank a lot hairyguy !

So if I understand well the tech of straight out and OTS is to put stretch and stress with a 90° beetwen tunica and the body for the straight out and less than 90° beetwen the up body and the tunica for the OTS ? ( and for the BTC a angle of about 180°)

So I think I will try the straight out but are you having some good tips for me to use confortably with lot of effect on the tunica for that position ? (Do you have a sort of variation of straight out for more effect ?)
I have notice that when I hung in BTC or straight down , my upper shaft area is the more stretching than the other part , why ?
When you use a straight out position , what is the part of the shaft it stretch or stress the more ?

HG,

I think along the same lines also. I already have a low erection angle so I’ve been trying the OTS stretches. One problem I have run into is an OTS stretch seems to put more stress on the underside near the head, the problem is not the head itself it’s the bruising of the skin on the underside from the folded skin. any suggestions how to compensate for that while still maintaining a OTS hang?

I had the same problem with OTS as you do, and I fixed it by tightening the bottom of my Bib to grasp the internal structures lower than they normally do. I still have some riding up, but it is not nearly as bad :)

Thanks for the response Bib

I’m glad you also believe that BTC does not continually stretch the ligaments, which was my intuitive guess. It puts me more at ease starting my second year of hanging, since a consensus of two (esp from a true expert) is far more comforting than my solitary guesses.

++++Further, as you pointed out, the longer the ligs become, the more stress the tunica receives. At whatever point the ligs attach to the tunica for each individual, when the ligs become a certain length, even at a BTC angle, the amount of stress approaches zero on the ligs, and approaches 100% on the tunica.+++

I think I have almost reached this point. Perhaps 80-90% of the weight is now supported by the tunica and not the ligs.

Yazid:
+++So if I understand well the tech of straight out and OTS is to put stretch and stress with a 90° beetwen tunica and the body for the straight out and less than 90° beetwen the up body and the tunica for the OTS ? ( and for the BTC a angle of about 180°)+++

Yes.

+++So I think I will try the straight out but are you having some good tips for me to use confortably with lot of effect on the tunica for that position ? (Do you have a sort of variation of straight out for more effect ?)+++

I’m not sure what you mean by “variation”.

+++I have notice that when I hung in BTC or straight down , my upper shaft area is the more stretching than the other part , why ? When you use a straight out position , what is the part of the shaft it stretch or stress the more ?+++

If you are in the beginning stages of hanging, what you may be feeling in the upper shaft is skin stretch. When I used to hang straight out months ago, I felt stress from just upstream of where the shaft meets the hanger to maybe an inch inside the body. Slight variations in angle though will shift the stress points.

hang10:

+++I think along the same lines also. I already have a low erection angle so I’ve been trying the OTS stretches. One problem I have run into is an OTS stretch seems to put more stress on the underside near the head, the problem is not the head itself it’s the bruising of the skin on the underside from the folded skin. any suggestions how to compensate for that while still maintaining a OTS hang?+++

Maybe you could increase the bottom gap so there’s more room for the skin? Or move the hanger upstream on the shaft? Or try wrapping a touch tighter so there’s less “play” for the skin to be pinched.

Peace,
HG

Thanks, HairyGuy for thoughtful post. I am guessing that BTC gets much hype because Bib found it helpful with his high exit point and ease of working at his computer. A starting position straight down is preferable for most from a lig stress standpoint IMHO. I do 2@20min down and 2@20min OTS consecutively at 17.5# after hanging for 38 days. Will continue routine stopping at 20#.

Hairyguy ,

I have no problem about the skin stretch when I hung , I notice it is an internal structure in the upper shaft who is stretching more than the other !?

Hello HairyGuy
Nice post. My, erections hadn’t improved much after I left PE. They were still at low angles (usually 90 degrees), not the pointing up erections i used to have. From what I’ve read from your post, this must be due to the ligament stretching. Is there any way to correct it? I want to get my original angle of erection back even if it means no more gains. Can the erection angle be corrected using jelq or manual stretching but without the use of weights? How about I pull staright out emphasizing more pull on the entire shaft rather than the ligaments?

Sean

Hi Sean,
First, there’s a distinction to be made between the quality of erections and the angle of erections. I’m assuming you mean that your erections are hard enough, but the angle is too low for your preferences.

I do not think there are any manual techniques that can apply enough stresses to the shaft inside your body, which is what you would have to do to reclaim your lost erection angle. Basically you have to keep your ligament at its current length and increase the length of the shaft “upstream” of the ligament attachment point to your shaft. Unless you have an extremely stretchable shaft, I don’t think you can pull long or hard enough to work that area by manual means.

The only alternative I can see is hanging weights in the Over the Shoulder (OTS) angle. Do a search with those key words and you should get some more info. I’m not saying that OTS hanging will get you your erection angle back, but I think it’s your best shot.

Good luck.

HG

HG,

seans also suffering from ED. In this thread he talks about hanging for some time with no noticable erection angle change but that intense jelqing caused ED and angle problems.

Mem: Ah, gotcha, I didn’t read that thread.

Sean: Sorry for the misunderstanding. If I understand you correctly, your erection angle lowered, b/c of subpar erections and not due to anything hanging related. If that’s the case then hanging OTS will not help you.

As mentioned in the thread Mem referred to, it seems certain people are susceptible to ED symptoms from hard jelqing and manual stretching.

Maybe someone with more knowledge could chime in about the possibility of some minor nerve damage?

I would echo what 2in2 said, stop jelqing and keep all pressure away from the nerve bundle behind the head, and see a urologist. By all means, stop the jelqing, no sense in “trial and error”ing your way to further problems.

Good luck,

HG

another bump