Base Issues From Pumping

I like full package pumping but fear it will result in permanent sagging of everything such as in the attached photo.

Yes, I have tried pulling on the tube in effort in order to try to keep an erection and try to stop the tube from digging into the base so much. Still had pain in the base.

Maybe if there is some way to build the base up so that area will pack and pressure will then be exerted more further up the tube.

Hey Frypup,

I just checked your profile out.
Should have done it beforehand.
You already asked your question several times and repeatedly got the same advice by very good members.

Why don’t read it, comprehend it and use it ?
I dont get it. Why do you ask at all when you don’t change anything ?
Take your time to understand what the guys are telling you.
Seems you always concentrate on minor and unimportant details.

Do you know what you need to change to solve your problems ? Do you understand why you got the problems in the first place ?
You got all the advice in the world. Read your old threads too. Now it is up to you to use the advice in a correct way.

Good luck.

Then take the other option if you fear that.

Hey,

just speed read some of your last posts. Excuse me for being salty.
You are a lot more experienced than I thought you are.
Now I get the picture why you are struggling.
Reminds me of the complication I had with jelqs in the beginning.
Seems pumping is pretty hard on your body.
You tried a lot of stuff and that must be frustrating. It seems that most pumpers can get away easily with a lot more intensity.

Maybe it is time for a conditioning break so you can recover and heal your base for a fresh restart.

When re-starting it would be good to have a heat source like a heating pad (wrapped around the cylinder) to help recovery and avoid more trauma.

You already pack a 2” cylinder ;)
To avoid base problems I would buy a 2,25” and use it for the first 20-30 min (start with 10 min) at workout pressure (3 -5 inHg) and then change to your narrow cylinder to pack it.
So you combine base+expansion work (more room in the bigger cylinder) and length+core work (only room to expand is pressing again the walls and expanding towards the end of the tube).
When you pack the 2” cylinder stay at low pressure and use milking techniques for pressure spikes to avoid the painful digging (increasing pressure temporarily by “pulling away” in a slow controlled milking motion ).
keep it at 2-4 inHg to avoid glans complications when filling the tube.
Combined with shorter 5 to 10 min sets you should give your base a break in the long run.

Another important thing is keeping EQ higher than 60-70% for the first 20-30 min.
It would be a good idea to work on that from time to time.

To learn to hold your EQ longer, there are simple ED routines.
I used following routine I found in a oldschool pumping book.

Pump up slowly and gently to max EQ until you get really hard naturally. This should take 2-3 min and not much pressure.
Hold pressure and erection . Ideally in the 2-3 inHg range for 2 min.
Try to influence your EQ with kegels and focus on staying at high EQ.
Slowly release pressure and exit cylinder.
Then do a massage for 1-2 min in between sets.

When you can do 4-6x5 Min and holding a erection at 80-100 % for the last 2-3 min of all your sets you will never have problems again keeping your EQ up in a pump session.

If you got problems with scrotal skin, it could be worth a try to wear a silicone ball stretcher to avoid turkey neck problems and to keep “sensitive” skin out of the cylinder.

Sorry that I wrote so much, but I restarted pumping myself and writing my thoughts down really helps me to remind me of all I have learnt over the years ;)

Hopefully you will find a work around to your problems.

pe_pe,

Thanks for taking the time to write. I appreciate the effort you are putting in trying to help me.

I am just frustrated because so far I cannot commit to any PE routine as in the following:

Pumping: I cannot stay erect in the tube as there is no sensation and because of the base digging in too hard even at lower pressures like 3- 5 HG. If I go lower than 5 HG it feels like it will not lead to any gains.

Jelqing: If I jelq, it puts too much pressure on the veins of the shaft and they start to hurt even at 50% erection. With jelqing I have a difficult time staying less than 100% erect.

Manual Stretching: I would love to be able to use this method since length is mainly what I want but since I am uncircumsized, no matter what I do I end up putting too much pressure on the glans.

Hanging with weights: Tried using the Bib hanger but I either end up stretching skin or end up putting too much pressure on the glans. I think the devices sold to do this are still too much in their infancy and require too much fine tuning to work. Even tried hanging with a vacuum device but it puts way too much stress on the glans.

I would like to know more about this base building method with pumping. Maybe that might help. I keep thinking the issue may be with the way the tubes are designed at the base, but if that is the case, then why are other pumpers not having the issue that I am? I hear about other pumpers pumping way past even 7 HG but they say nothing about base pain.

Frypup

I can vouch for using a bigger cylinder. I used to pump with a 1.5 and had the same base issues as you. I very recently got a 1.75” cylinder, from my senior father of all people, and am no longer experiencing any base issues as long as I seat the top of the rim up and away from my base

I understand your frustration. I’ve worked thru a few issues myself. My gains are pretty small for how long I’ve been doing PE.

Have you tried a captains wench or an AFB hanger? I use a captains wench sometimes and it does have a learning curve when it comes to wrapping but once you dial it in its quite nice. I felt mostly skin stretch and had hanger creeping up towards glans when I first tried it. Once I dialed in wrapping and putting the hanger on, I feel mostly internal meat being stretched rather than all skin.

Hope this helps you sir

Hey Frypup,

all in all this is a frustrating situation.

In your place I would really thinking of what you want to try to do in the future.
You did a lot of pe exercises.
Most of them didn’t work out well for you.
Maybe pumping is not the best for you as it is more demanding than other exercises and relies heavily on body feedback.

In my opinion you don’t have a good sensory feedback that you need to manipulate your penis in the right intensity to gain.

I am interpreting your posts in a way that you tend to over train in general.
Especially when you write that you don’t have sensations when you pump.
This really surprises me.
I feel a lot when I pump and actually like the feelings and effects it causes ;)

A lack of a good sensory system can be dangerous as you will only use the intensity that you can feel.
In your case the intensity you feel that you think you need to grow might be too high( looking at your pe background and different exercises you did ).

You must become more in tune therefore with your penis in my opinion.
Good concepts to achieve that are a progressive routine approach with a low intensity starting point, the PI theory and ease into the stretch-mentality.

I think the ED routine 1/1 could be a good idea as a re-start for 2-4 weeks as it helps to teach you to control and influence the EQ under vacuum.
You will need the high EQ for gains outside the tube.
Without it is difficult to grow although you can get spectacular results in(!) the tube with low EQ.
This skill set is needed to succeed in pumping in my eyes and worth a try when pe is the goal.

Most of the succesful pe pumpers I found, pumped in a similar style (high EQ, long duration, low - mid pressure, heat + warm-up , 1/1).

Therefore I would be switching after a couple of weeks to a long duration low pressure pumping routine and work my way up step by step in the following months.

In your case I would do the something like this after a condition break:

Warm up

-under IR light (or warming up with a heating pad, rice sock etc for 10 min before starting)

-I introduced this exercise I found in a pe book to the german community back in the day. It is not popular around here, but it is a good warm up when you got problems with your base.
It really helps to relax your ligs and base.
You can skip the last exercise.

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Pre-stretch in warm up intensity

-experiment with your vac hanger as a stretching tool to avoid any problems with the grip at the glans
- do 5-10 min slow and gentle ease into stretches (read firegoats posts).
Go by feel and not reps. Keep it between 10-90s and don’t use much force. You want to be relaxed and plumb before going into the tube. Max length is not the goal. It is a warm up and a learning tool for not using too much intensity ;)

Pumping
do the ED routine 1/1 (start with 2x5 min, then add a set every week if you feel like it)

Warm down
under Ir light
and do weighted kegels like towel raises or against the palm erect kegel presses.
This helps a lot with the strengthening of the base.

Hope this helps.

I also had problems at the base. I discovered that pumptoys carry the best silicone cushions. By far. As suggested, using a larger cylinder than recommended will also help. An e/z angled entry may help even further.