Increase Time Or Vacuum?

Is there a benefit to doing your PE all in 1 session vs spread out through the day? Like doing a full pumping session in the evening vs a half session in the morning and a half session in the evening.

Having to warm up and prepare everything multiple times per day vs just once is a big time commitment.

Personal preference.

(1) is whether through experimentation there’s a noticeable difference in gains. Some say spreading sessions out works. Others like me are unsure.

(2) time constraints - that’s simply down to everyone and can only be answered by your schedule. I do the one session approach.

I’d wager doing it all in 1 session is superior because you get a better result on the consecutive sets.
While you can’t compare this directly to regular exercise, I think it shares some similarities here.

Good points by all. I really think it comes down to time and how much do you have? If you need to split it to get a full workouts worth in, then yeah split it. What’s a full workout anyway, where do you draw your line? Fatigue, soreness, EQ, functionality? I aim for sore, but mine can take a real beating and still work, so I generally gauge it by functionality. If I can still get hard without any trouble after the session, I could’ve pushed harder and longer. I didn’t always think this way though. Plenty get gains without affecting any of those criteria. Mileage varies, do what works for you.

I don’t split my workouts, I do multiple full workouts. When I’m recovered a few hours later, I do another one. I’m blessed to have the time advantage for sure, and I don’t need to put my stuff away unless I’m expecting company. Results can still be had either way. I made good gains early on with half and half, later a single full, and then multiple full.

As long as you’re doing something, I believe it will happen eventually. You just have to keep going, no matter how much your doing.

-Stay safe

I really like the stretch I get when I split the sessions, 1 hour in the morning with air pump and 15-20 minutes at night with bathmate.

Personally I have noticed after months of using Bathmate HydroXtreme I can handle much more pressure comparative to when it was used initially. As a gauge I count the full compressions of the hand ball attached to the hose [it is much more easy with the ose instead of connected directly to the valve]. At this juncture in the time-space continuum I squeeze fully the hand ball six to eight times. Seven and eight take ten seconds approximately for the hand ball to fill with air which is a reliable non-numerical gauge for me besides feeling the pressure of course. Considering I have not got a way to keep time in shower I estimate three minutes followed by two minutes massage thrice. Of course my internal clock is not accurate thus I underestimate most likely. I am quite careful not to exceed my perception of three minutes thrice but do increase pressure possibly without noticing as time passes. My suggestion is to increase pressure. To have some idea of current pressure I suggest to count the squeezes of the hand ball [provided one is used]. Based on all I have read it is very dangerous for the vacuum to be engaged for more than fifteen minutes per a twenty-four hours time frame.

Where did you read this? Certainly not here. I regularly pump for an hour, others do also.

In so many words the manual says that and miscellaneous web pages do also. I have been curious to change the routine but never read anything anywhere that mentioned it not be physiologically dangerous to maintain a strong vacuum for sixty minutes consecutively or otherwise.

-In so many words-
So the manual doesnt say that, you are assuming it. And where did this 15min limit per 24 hrs come from? What are these miscellaneous web sites you refer to?

Are you aware that the atmospheric pressure at the top of Mt Everest is the equivalent of -20inHg vacuum? It is 2/3 less than atmospheric pressure at sea level. For most climbers oxygen tanks are required to get the needed amount of O2, but the body is subject to the atmospheric pressure.

Having said that, some guys are more sensitive to vac pressure than others. Some find -3inHg to be painful, and others report surging to over -10inHg for short periods.

My average session is 35-40 minutes.

Excellent morning wood and on demand with the wife.

To the original poster:

I don’t know where you’re getting your info from but many do multiple sessions a day at that time frame or long sessions. Some everyday. Some with rest days.

- take it easy on pressure until you know how YOU work.
- start with something like 10 mins and add 5 mins every 30 training session.

That’s conservative and if you’re patient like this you will learn about yourself and get results over time.

@32quarters

you’ve got some great results and are on a maintenance routine now it seems.

Can you tell me about your routine that led up to this?

You regularly go over an hour at what pressure may I ask? And how long over an hour?

For someone like me at 35-40 mins at 5hg what does your experience tell you about me pushing the time to nearer the hour mark or beyond?

Thanks 👍

Is that bereft of pauses or do you divide the forty minutes time? I cannot gauge pressure unless I find some audible tool that either beeps or speaks thus I count complete squeezes of the hand ball.

I don’t overthink it. I conditioned over about 60 sessions to @5hg which seems good. I pump to 5hg and set a stop watch. Job done.

I did try 10 min @3,@4,@5 and @4,@5,@6 but it was a bit too much fuss for no noticeable benefit.

Pump to a pressure, start stopwatch, listen to podcast. Repeat. Be patient.

That’s my approach.

I do 2-3 (35) min sets 5-6 days per week. Conditioning and paying attention is the name of the game. I dynamic pump while others like a set vacuum level approach

All of them work and I’ve incorporated all, if not most schedules, time durations and vacuum levels

However, all approaches work for some and maybe even most but none are 100% effective

The best thing to do is incorporate (1) change and stick to it for a set amount of time. I’d say anything less than 2-weeks is probably too little but I’m only an opinion

The BIGGEST issue I see here though is the lack of objectivity with both your time and amount of vacuum: You may need to be creative but you HAVE to be able to pinpoint these (2) factors over anything else. Even if it means wearing a watch in the shower; you need to be able to measure time. You are (potentially) flirting with disaster not being able to determine vacuum and relying on the number of pumps. Simply put, how erect you are going into the tube will cause your pump count to vary. No one here that’s pumped long enough will tell you that they go into the pump at the same erection level each-and-every-time. It will ebb and flow and note that the more erect you are; the less pumps it takes to get to your desired vacuum level. The opposite is 100% true as well

You may see some grumbles from some of the folks that oppose this but an air pump with a gauge will (long term) be a better outfit for you if you truly want to scale and know how much you are. However, there may be a hydro pump version out there with a gauge: I’ve never considered it so pardon my ignorance

Pressure will be related to the volume of air inside the cylinder vs the volume of air inside the hand ball. Water is non-compressible, so unless the water volume is always the same, a single squeeze on the hand ball will not create the same pressure. And now that I say that, I am realizing that, in the case of Bathmate, the pressure is all inside the steel spring so if you have zero air, each squeeze of the ball may always be the same pressure.

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