Warning! If you haven't gotten improved erections:

For the sake of clarity, let me first define EQ. This is a new term I’ve recently introduced (as of first writing this article), and is important to understand exactly what it means.

EQ basically is the characteristics of Erectile Qualities some of the major ones are as follows;

1. Ease of erections (how easily it happens).
2. Frequency of erections (how frequently they happen).
3. Hardness of erections.
4. How long they last before fading, ease of keeping them.
5. Refractory period (how quickly you can get hard again after ejaculation).
6. Nite and morning wood.

True EQ drop will usually effect ALL THE CATEGORIES AT THE SAME TIME! Conversely, a true rise in EQ usually will effect all the categories also at the same time. You evaluate EQ as the sum of it all.

This is just a note that will seem very obvious to some and a new concept to others…PROPER PE WILL GIVE YOU HARDER AND MORE FREQUENT ERECTIONS!

If you already have experienced that, than you can leave now. If this is a new concept to you, than stick around.

Not everyone gains from PE, for some success comes quickly and easily. Others not so easy or quick, and some…can’t seem to get any improvement.

For the last two categories…let me just give you a very important tip. Greatly improved EQ (erectile quality) is something EVERYONE can achieve with PE…unless you already have frequent and easy rock hard erections.

For the rest of us, PE can increase the hardness, frequency and ease of erections…IF IT IS DONE RIGHT!

What is doing PE right? Getting the proper stimulation to recovery ratio. The other CRITICAL factor is……drum roll please…………

IF YOU GET VASTLY IMPROVED EQ…YOUR CHANCES OF GROWTH ARE FAR BETTER!

I have almost NEVER heard of someone getting great growth, while getting deceased EQ…why? A BEAT TO SHIT DICK DOESN’T GROW!

So, if you find you are not growing, or having a very hard time gaining, I suggest you go for great EQ first, then you will find you will have a much better chance of making gains.

So how do you do that?

If you are currently doing PE and you haven’t had improved EQ or worse yet, you have had DECREASED EQ…take 2-3 weeks off…COMPLETELY OFF.

If you have been over training, you will find after about a week or so, your EQ will start to improve. It may continue to improve for several weeks, at which point it will slowly begin to decrease again. This is the point to begin training again.

I would suggest a very simple routine, far less than you had before. Something like 5 minutes of modest jelqing and 5 minutes of kegels every other day or less (kegels are VERY important).

Remember what your EQ was like at its best or highest point, and make sure you maintain that level or at least never be more than one rest day away from that point.

This becomes your baseline…your anchor point. If you find that as you PE your EQ gets even better…THAT becomes your new baseline. Your highest level of EQ should always be your new baseline, because the better your EQ, the greater your chances of being in the growth zone.

So, now with this new baseline, you can slowly increase your PE in whatever force/time variation you choose. My only note on that is I truly believe that if you are unable to get a good erection when you are done, it is probably too much.

[Hanging MAY be an exception, but I would say that if you aren’t getting your baseline EQ back by the next day, it was too much force/time.]

My personal belief is that great nite wood not only indicates you aren’t over training, but I believe it helps cement gains. When my EQ is great (I’m 49), I will literally be rock hard for hours at nite, it will even wake me up.

When I am over training, I get almost no nite wood. Rock hard wood at nite MUST play a huge roll in cementing if not even some gaining…in my thinking.

So, if you are one of those guys that isn’t gaining, and have let your EQ drop into a poor state…consider giving this a try.

UPDATE NOTE; many times I get NO notification of new posts with questions, so if you have written a question on this thread, PLEASE pm me to let me know you have posted a question here, and I will reply. Thanks!

Your post makes perfect sense sparkyx but I’m wondering whether wearing an anti-turtle sleeve at night will have a negative effect, even though it is supposed to help growth during these recovery periods.

Although erections aren’t so uncomfortable while wearing it, erection size is limited, so which is more benificial for growth at night, unrestricted erections or restricted shrivelling?

I don’t suppose that many members can answer this from experience so I will let you know my progress using the sleeve, for reference no matter what regimen I try, I never grow more than 3mm in length per month.

This sounds like just what I need. I have noticed lack of night wood and also no gains for probably almost two months. I chalked the lack of wood up to getting older, although up ‘till 2 months go it was not a problem, I usually woke up ready to polevault! Thanks for this advice.

Sparkyx, thank you for that smart and needed post. Needed not because I have decreased EQ, but because everyone who does or starts PE should put this thread on the must read list.

This is excellent, common sense advice. I’ve always intuitively thought that loss of EQ means my dick needs a rest, and that lack of wood is not conducive to gaining. That’s one of the reasons I have decided to back off on porn and masturbation, it reduces my frequency of spontaneous erections and it also is leading to penile fatigue since I’m already doing a fairly heavy amount of PE lately.

Good post sparky, it’s all too easy to get caught up in overtraining and ignore the indicators.

Fucking excellent! I observed this patter too. When i over train my dick my erection is like gelatin. If i do rest days the gelatin becomes more harder… than more rest days comes… and my eq decreases to a point of usable erection, not excellent erection that proper pe give to us. Im on desensitisation, almost one year without without pe, my erections are good and my size is cemented. PE rocks!

Personally, I think turtling is a sign of over doing it, certainly if it lasts more than a hour or so.

I think if you want to wear something like this, do it during the day. In my opinon, nite should be the time for the system to cause erections, which is your bodies way of promoting penile health.

You job is to make sure that you are GETTING good nite wood, by doing a proper amount of PE and monitoring your EQ.

If you are getting good erections at nite, you most likely WON’T be getting shriveling.

Right! I have let myself fall into this myself.

I had a really dramatic demonstration of this principal last year. I went out of the country for about 3 weeks. During this time, I did no PE, had no sex and didn’t even touch myself except to pee.

Up until that time, I had very little nite and morning wood. About 1 week into this “break” I started getting a lot of nite wood, finally after about 2 weeks some of the nite wood was so hard it actually hurt and would wake me up. By the 3rd week it was starting to decrease.

When I came home, I measure a 1/4 inch increase of bpfl.

This was proof to me that I had been over doing it, and greatly interfering with my growth and EQ.

Thanks Chicken! I have added this towards the end of my PIs thread, because I too think its a critical component.

I really think a lot of the consistent gainers watch this very carefully and have learned to back off when their EQ starts to diminish.

If you read carefully, most of guys that have had great gains, also tend to report amazing EQ at the same time. I think it is both a great indicator of being in the growth zone, and a MECHANISM of aiding growth.

Right! Thanks for the imput. Proper PE should give you much improved EQ, if you have decreased EQ, its a sure sign of over doing it.

So for a newbie that is starting with no night wood at all, would you say that my improved EQ and night wood will start to show during my beginning routine? Or is no night wood for a guy that has never PE’d a bad sign? My EQ lately has been good at times and poor at times depending on my stress level at the time. But when it’s good it’s real good. Like I said, it’s been a long time since I got night wood.

Thanks,

Fitman

Since exercising regularly (cycling), night time erections and morning wood are much more frequent and harder.

Testosterone and growth hormone. (which increase with exercise) are also an important factor to help EQ, their release at night causes these erections.

I remember how exercising speeded up my PE results in the past.

Since starting PE the first thing I have noticed was I was waking-up with erections, something I can hardly remember doing.

Infact, I turned over in bed the other morning and turned onto my hard penis, it woke me up, lol. :)

EQ is the frequency, ease and hardness of your erections. So, much of that can be observed during waking hours. If you find that those qualities have improved in general, then your EQ is improving.

I like nite wood as an indicator because it rules out any psychological factors…which is why Physicians who deal with ED use the ol’ paper ring test.

It could very well be that you do get nite wood, but never wake up enough to notice it. Anyway, use what is available to you (waking hours) and you should still be able to get an idea which way you are going.

Absolutely, improved EQ should show during newbie stage, as a matter of fact, I believe improved EQ should be seen within a week or two.

The problem comes in when the newbie routine is far more than you can handle…in that case you never really see improved EQ and assume PE is bad for EQ. The right amount of PE will improve it…too much will decrease it.