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Anything that tends to improve health, should improve EQ to some degree. Improved hormonal profile, improved circulation, etc.

However, for this discussion, we are talking about getting the right stress to recovery in PE, and understanding that too stress to too little recovery, will decrease it.

You can’t make up for beating up on your dick with exercise…you will end up with a great body, and a non-functioning dick. :)

Perfect example of what PE SHOULD be doing for you.

Actually Sparkyx, I’m starting incredibly slow with simple jelqing for the first 3 sessions with a 2 day break in between. I read and studied your PI article thoroughly (very well written by the way) and decided that starting slow is my best bet.

Workout Day 1 warm up then 50 jelqs
2 day rest
Workout Day 2 Warm up then 100 Jelqs
2 day rest
Workout Day 3 Warm up then 150 jelqs
2 day rest
Observe PI’s closely and then right into the newbie routine.

What do you think?

Slow and safe seems to work better for the average PE’er

Thanks Sparkyx,

Fitman

Fitman,

Sounds good. I don’t know if safe and slow works better for the average, but safe and slow is first of all SAFE, which is always best. Second, if you slowly ramp up while developing great EQ, and keeping that as a baseline WHILE you slowly ramp up…I think it makes it very difficult to miss your growth zone.

When you just start with some arbitrary workout, a certain percentage will have already overshot their growth zone, and probably assume more is needed. Once that happens, these poor bastards will eventually come to the conclusion that PE doesn’t work for them.

So thats a long way of saying, safe and slow (watching PIs as you slowly ramp up) may be a slow method, but it is safe and I think gives you a great shot at success.

Actually, I would stay with 150 jelques every other day or every 3rd day for a couple weeks and see if you get greatly improved EQ. If you do, then keep that as a baseline and THEN you can start the Newbie routine.

This way you have an EQ baseline from which you can determine if the Newbie routine is too much. If you start getting decreased EQ a week into the Newbie routine, then you know its too much, but not by a lot.

If your first day of the Newbie routine you get a drastic reduction in EQ, its WAY too much…get the idea?

Thats why its smart to keep it really low until you begin to see improved EQ, the work up from there.

If after a few weeks of the Newbie routine, your EQ is at an all time high, that becomes your new baseline to guide you in the future.

If you have been doing the same routine for a couple months, and EQ has been great, and you’ve made gains, but now its slowly decreasing…its probably time to add more time or force to your PE…or try a deconditioning break.

Thanks so much for the reply Sparkyx, I respect your thoughts, and will take your advice on keeping it at 150 jelqs for a few weeks. What about 1 on 2 off for the first week then 1 on 1 off for the second? Or should I just keep it at every 3 day for the full 2 weeks?

Thanks again,

Fitman

Thanks for a great contribution to the forum sparky.

I definitely noticed in my recent break how much better my erections became, like I was suddenly 20 years younger.

For me, jelks and kegels are definitely good for my erections. Other forms of PE seem to do harm to my erections, even with moderation. It is somewhat of a dilemma for me, as I agree that decreased erections are not a good sign. However, if I clamp, or even wear my extender, I usually see some negative effects. So I take more time off than is practical for making gains. Maybe I should include jelking and more kegels to counteract the effects of the other exercises.

Great thread.

Slow, methodical,complete jelqs. I’m thinking of easing up a bit on duration due to work schedule and time mamagement issues.

No morning wood for the last three days. They were waking me hp at 3AM. Erections are great though rock hard. I may take a week off jelqing and just balloon every other day.

I’ve been thinking I usually do a routine for 6-8 weeks before I take a break. I may do this every four weeks, see what happens.

Hey mravg…thanks.

I think you have to find a method that you recover from within a day or so to be effective. I think if you go more than a day before you hit it again, you can lose some of the growth momentum.

HOWEVER, if your method takes more than a day to RECOVER from, then you have a problem.

Its like one step forward and one or two back. If you hit it again within a day or two, and you aren’t recovered, then you start to lose EQ and accumulate micro trauma….adds up to halting growth and decreasing PIs.

Its the same for me, some methods, I can recover from quickly, others take a few days to recover from. I am convinced whats good for your erections are also be good for your growth, its just a matter of finding the right time/force/rest ratio for you.

The trick to success I think, is to find a method that stimulates growth WHILE ALLOWING recovery within a day or so.

For example, lets just say you love pumping. However, you have to use at least 3 in hg to stimulate growth, yet 3 in hg stresses your dick to the point where any more than 5 minutes takes 2 days to recover from. It just may be that the force needed to stimulate growth, and the time needed to recover makes it impossible to pump frequently enough or long enough to stimulate growth. THEY ARE IN CONFLICT, making gains impossible with that method, at that level of recovery!

It may be that it will take 6 months to condition your dick enough to get to the point where you can use enough force/time to stimulate growth AND recover in time to hit it again to cause progress. I think this is similar to what Avocet experienced when he was pumping for 6 months before he started to see gains.

If jelks and kegels are good for your erections, then I would work toward seeing how much DAILY jelquing is good for you. Find the amount that gives you the hardest nite erections you’ve ever had…and hold at that level for a week or two and see if you don’t start to grow.

If you aren’t growing, then I would have you add an additional 5-10 minutes. I think adding SESSIONS of about 5-10 minutes at a later time of the day is a good way. Not so much going HARDER with your jelques, as adding more time. I think once you are up to 30 minutes a day, then you may want to experiment with some higher intensity.

These are fairly arbitrary numbers on my part, but they are reasonable. Really, like I’ve said, I think if you shoot for the best EQ you’ve ever had, keep that as a baseline, THEN make changes while you maintain your high baseline EQ.

I think its fine or even good to throw in some clamping or whatever, but start with small amounts, and make sure your return to your high baseline before you do it again.

Like I’ve said, I have almost NEVER heard of someone getting good growth, without also getting great EQ…so really I think that should become our Physiologic Indicator of how to, and which direction to make changes in you force/time.

I think what can happen is, if you shoot for great EQ, and keep that baseline…you will be able to gradually increase force or time or both, till eventually that level of PE crosses the threshold where grow can start. In the meantime, if you are getting the hardest wood of your life, that ITSELF is worth the effort. Plus, I truly believe that great nite wood certainly cements gains or whatever length you have, and may possibly cause some gains all by them self.

Thanks.

I really think if we keep a close eye on EQ and don’t let it dip much below our highest level, learning when its time to take a short break (or long) or decrease the time/force…we have a much better shot at gains.

Those rock hard nite wood erections, I think are great indicators that you are on the right track, and also help the growth process. Wouldn’t it be funny if it turns out they are the MAIN mechanism of growth…that it isn’t the PE itself, but the rock hard nite wood for hours that is doing it?

I wonder how much other factors can weigh on this? How about porn de-sensitization? I’m on about day four of my break, some night wood returning, but not like it used to be. I wonder how about age? I’ll turn 37 next month, and though I work out 3-6 times a week, I wonder if my age is affecting this? It could also be adrenal fatigue, caused by over training in the gym. Any thoughts?

Tons of things can and do effect nite wood and EQ. This is to address that if you keep all other factors constant (porn, aging, workouts etc) proper PE will improve EQ dramatically.

With time and age it tends to diminish EQ, but proper PE can counteract most of this effect, if not all.

I’m a dissenter on this- or at least my dick is. After observing my dick VERY carefully, I have concluded that my dick grows better when I beat it up a little. I don’t know if that’s a result of having a lot of elasticity, a lack of elasticity, or what, but when I stay in the “pole vaulting hard morning wood” pocket with my PE, my growth stalls immediately. When I push harder and put myself in the slightly spongy initial erection department, the gains gush forth.

Now the sparkyx positive/negative PI thing makes a lot of sense to me and is probably wise for the majority, but again, as with just about everything that is PE related, you have to listen to your own body. Everyone is different.

One thing I’ve considered is the fact that I have a killer diet- waaaaay better than most, and a long standing history of dietary super-stardom….flax oil, wheatgrass juice, cycled fasting, sprouts, whole grains, fresh squeezed juices, and etc.etc.etc. What I suspect is that the integrity of my tissues and their healing response is so high that I need to push a slight bit harder than most to induce lasting deformation (growth). If I don’t tease the border of negative PI’s (and actually cross over to the dark side) I just heal back up from a session to the same way I always was, ADS or no.

Anyway sparkyx, keep up the good work. I’d say your mission with the PI’s is a good one. As you see, even though I’m a little anomalous, I still use the PI’s as a refference point to stay in my personal “pocket”.

Safe gaining everyone.

Wantsmore,

Great post, and thanks for your info.

I’ve said before, that I believe once you are in the high EQ range, then growth is probably near by, which means you many need to slightly modify your workout to hit the best growth zone…but not by much.

So, having your feedback is good, because it obviously is a slight modification from the highest EQ for your max growth range, and that makes sense.

I have said that I don’t think you should go more than a day of rest to return to your highest EQ, to allow leeway for things like clamping and hanging, that seem to cause a temporary drop of EQ, but then with recovery comes growth. To my knowledge, most of the clampers and hangers find within a day of rest they are back to great EQ…what do you experience?

After you “beat you dick up a little” do you take a day or two off…or is it daily? If you skip your PE, how long do you need a layoff before “rock hard” erections return? What type of PE do you do?

Thanks for posting here! As a matter of fact, I would love to hear from anyone that is getting good gains, to describe their peak EQ, what its like, what happens after their workout, and what happens when they layoff.

I don’t want to hear from guys that aren’t gaining, because the information won’t be useful to what we are discussing here. If you aren’t gaining, its usually one of three possibilities.
1) Too much PE.
2) Not enough PE.
3) The need for a deconditioning layoff.

Usually it isn’t too difficult to figure out which one is your problem, but it can be at times. That’s why its important to keep a little notebook of time/force/ rest , type of PE and your PIs and EQ. When you have that info, if your not sure what you need, you can go look at the TREND, and it will give you enough info to solve the problem.

If you are totally confused, its always a safe bet to take a couple weeks off. If after a week or two, EQ comes roaring back…its a sure bet you were over doing it. If EQ never improves much or gets worse with the layoff, you probably weren’t doing enough.

So perhaps the long ballooning sessions may be a good way to grow it, I have had some growth with ballooning.

It makes sense, after all priapism is a very hard erection, that lasts too damn long, right?

I makes sense that a prolonged, very hard erection will cause enlargement, the question is just how hard and how long.

For you guys that get gains with ballooning, I think its great! Unfortunately its not a technique that is easily mastered, I know I tried for weeks and never really got any of the gains that are described.

I believe it CAN work, its just a matter of can you get it to work for you.

Thats the great thing about PE, there are many ways to achieve gains, you just have to find the right combination of method, force/time/rest for you.

The point of the PI thread and this thread is to make it easier to find your way into YOUR personal growth zone…and be able to stay there until you get the results you want, or at least some gains.