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Spark, what your stating is very valuable to all PE’ers and should definitely be used as a guide for a work/rest ratio. I to have noticed everything you have mentioned at one time or another. Wantsmores statements, are, I believe, essentially the same as yours, he just notes that a short time of compromised EQ works best for him, this makes sense, as long as complete recovery is only a short time away. Recovery will definitely be affected by factors such as age, hormone levels, diet, etc.. I have noticed that if I wrap a freezer pac for 6 or 7 mins around the penis while wearing an ADS in the extended state immediately followingl my workout I will have rock hard EQ within hours but if I dont use the freezer pac rock hard EQ will not return for 1 1/2 days. This obviously indicates that the cold speeds my recovery.
Great thread.

Pepper

This is absolutely true. As a Pe’er for three years now, I completelty agree, but what does it mean when your’re morning wood is smaller than your actual wood. That’s my circumstance…

Someone mentioned monitoring one’s EQ throughout the day. I’m a bit confused; do you just get random erections throughout the day? I don’t think I’ve ever popped a random woodie sitting in class or eating lunch. Unless I’m thinking about something or someone in particular…… Any thoughts?

I’ve experienced that slightly smaller, but still rock hard morning wood occasionally, I think it has to do with having to urinate really bad, its hard but not as full, its just a different type of erection I always felt.

Pepper

During ballooning I do this in stages. For the first half hour. Then I let it die down to about 50% bring it back up for the second half hour. Then for the third where most of the dry orgasms occur and even harder and even bigger penis.

Thats AWESOME!

I will give that a try, if it works for others, you just may have found the equivalent of steroids for PE.

If it allows you to recover more rapidly, it will allow more frequent PE…which SHOULD translate into faster gains.

Is this a consistent finding, is it something you have found to always work for you? Have others tried it yet?

I wouldn’t worry about it. EQ refers to your OVERALL Erectile Quality, meaning frequency, ease of erections, hardness, nite and morning wood, etc.

You have to observe what you can and acess whether it is getting better or not.

I personally like to use nite wood, because for me its the most obvious. When I over do it, I virtually lose it completely, when I’m in the zone, it gets so hard it can be painful…very obvious change.

My last post should answer this for you. If you still have a question, post and I will answer.

Its got to be a fun way to grow, but like I said, many just aren’t able to master it.

It’s too soon to tell if the cool down is beneficial regarding gains but it does speed recovery, at least in my case. I dont know if others have tried it. But now I’m going to change my system a little based on your great thread, I think I may have been hitting it a little too hard lately. Thanks, yours was one of the most valuable threads I’ve read thus far.

Pepper

I went right out and got a ceramic based (clay of sorts) heat and cold pack! I used a bag of frozen veggies yesterday, and it seemed to have aided recovery but its a little early to tell. (frozen peas are best!)

I have been experimenting with a new routine, and I pushed it too hard and really decreased my nite wood, so I am cutting back to try and recover my better EQ. If I followed my own advice, I would STOP COMPLETELY for a few days, but I want to see if mild jelquing combined with the ice pack will accelerate recovery.

After I heated (warm up), I then jelqued 5 minutes, I clamped off to a moderate level and put the cold pack over my clamped hard unit for 5 minutes.

Afterward it was a very unique feeling, it felt really full and pumped. I will watch carefully to see the reaction over the next few days.

From Physiology, I know that when you apply ice, it tends to dilate or EXPAND the deep arteries to compensate for the cold…and this what it felt like. It felt like I was getting a very deep blood flush from the cold. I did it about 5 minutes, but I plan on going the 6-8 like you recommended.

If it allows you to recover more rapidly, than it will allow you to do more or more frequent PE, which THEORETICALLY should allow you to make more gains…if you are not over or under doing it.

I plan on using this for several weeks to try and get a true read on it, but really I am enthusiastic as of now…thanks again.

Great thread…

Sparkyx (or anyone else)—Is the ice pack helping the EQ?

I have been using for my cool down for about a week, I will now quit using it for a week and see if there is any difference.

Spark, I have a question. Earlier in this thread you mentioned that you felt it is best to only be about one rest day away from your optimal EQ while doing PE. However, you then cited an exception regarding hanging and clamping. If you would please elaborate on this? Also I’d like to note that edging and ballooning must put considerable stress on the penis also, because I had great EQ in the AM on my off day, then edged that day and ended up with less EQ the next few days. I think its worth mentioning.

Pepper

This is from a PM to me, which I thought would be beneficial to those of you with similar questions. I removed the persons name to protect his privacy.

So, lets go over EQ again. EQ or Erectile Quality is looked at as a totality in order to access progress or lack of it.

EQ is frequency, hardness, easy of attaining erection, ability to maintain it, nite and morning wood. So as in your example, if you rarely got morning wood and now its more frequent, that is an improvement of your EQ…right? Lets just say nothing but that improved…its STILL an improvement in one of the categories, so its an indication of improved EQ.

Some categories are subject to psychological aspects which make them less reliable, which is why it has to be taken as a whole. So lets just say you are a worry wort…and a real stress case. This can have a profound effect on EQ during waking hours. It might make it harder to achieve erections, might effect frequency, etc. HOWEVER, lets just say you are all stressed out, but once you get into it with your wife and stop thinking so much, you find your erections are HARDER than they have been in a long time…thats a VERY positive indicator of improved EQ.

Nite wood is a very good indicator, however, what if you also sleep very soundly? You could be have vastly improved EQ, but not be aware of it. So, you really have to look at all the clues, and really, improvement in any category tends to be an indication of improved EQ.

If you get improvement in any one category, but tend to have a decrease in another category that can be effected by your psychological state (stress or worry) I tend to discount the decreased indicator and more heavily rely on the improved category.

Why? Because you will not get improvement in ANY of the categories if you are in a declining EQ mode, they will ALL decrease to some extent. That is to say if you are beating your dick up too much, the hardness will decrease, the ability to get hard will be more difficult, the ability to stay hard will decrease, the stimulation needed will increase, nite and morning wood will decrease, etc. Now sometimes it may be SLIGHT decreases, but it will never be an improvement of EQ.

So, if you ARE getting improvement in ANY category, I see it as improved EQ.

Having said that, you are showing signs of improvement, if I remember correctly (correct me if I’m wrong). So, that indicates to me that you are moving in the right direction.

So, if after a few weeks of PE at the SAME level, your EQ comes up a certain amount then stays there…I think it would be sensible to slowly add to your routine. If it had been too much PE, you would be experiencing a progressive decline in your EQ.

My current thinking is that I would recommend a routine that could be done on a daily basis, although many people get good results from one on one off or one on and two off. My thinking is that more frequent, lower force is better in the long run for penile health and true growth.

So, at this point I would recommend dropping down to 100 jelques (from 150 every other day), but now do it daily. I would do that by itself for about 2 weeks and access your EQ. If during this time you find your EQ improves even more, or at least stays the same…then I would suggest add about 2 minutes of stretching after those two weeks are up.

In the Bigtime gainer thread, the gentleman would add about 2-3 minutes every 3 weeks. I would add that I would only add it if your EQ is at least at your highest level or very close to it. If your EQ dips after adding the additional time, I would hold at that level until EQ comes back up to your highest level or sets a new, better high.

I think this is a very sensible, safe approach.

Now, the other factor is what I will call the “break over point”. I think for every person/PE technique, there is a minimum daily time needed to start to stimulate true growth…and it is probably unique for each individual.

So, lets just say for you, it won’t be until you reach 30 minutes of daily jelquing before you really start to grow…however, it might take you 6 months to reach the level of conditioning before you can DO 30 minutes without it causing negative PIs and massive depletion of your EQ.

I think this is the case for many so called “hard gainers”. The amount of stimulation needed to grow is far more than they can initially sustain, so they just jump around and NEVER find it because there are far too many variables thrown into their routines, and they don’t understand what role PIs play in their investigation.

So, by using a slow, progressively increasing PE routine, while watching PIs and EQ…I think you vastly increase your chances of success in growing a bigger dick at best, and at the least, a much better functioning dick which is damn near as good as a bigger dick. And as I have said before, when you dick is at high EQ levels, I think growth is just a small shift away ( either up or down of time or force).