Non-jelq routines? Is pumping a mirage?

Hi guys. I’ve been here for like 6 months already and still can’t get myself to properly start. I owe it due to the worst penis in the world (mine), I was okay with doing the newbie routine but jelqing turned out to be an indescribable hell for me, I’ve spoken about this in my previous posts and this one won’t have anything to do with jelqing.

Basically, this lack of activity has gotten to my brain and I feel really terrible. I want to do PE at all costs but I want to do it properly and it seems doing jelqing properly for me will only be a dream. So I went and looked around and saw pumping. I saw a famous member of this forum whose name I won’t mention say he owes his gains purely to pumping, he had over 2 inches of gains in length. I looked around and found this Bathmate thing. Yesterday, I went and read about it on google first, not here, various places and it sold me dreams. They were basically saying you’d get almost immediate temporary gains, about 1 inch in a year and if you do your routine without stopping you can get like 2 inches to permanent gains for a year or two of usage. On top of that, they were saying it not only works so well and efficient it’s actually very enjoyable to use, something to do with the water inside while pumping, I don’t know. ON TOP OF THAT, they said you only have to do it for like 15-20 minutes a day. That sounded more than good to be true, then I came on here and spend 2 hours reading threads and it seems this company in general spends a lot of money on fake reviews everywhere. Some unbiased users have revealed the hard hitting truth on here. I couldn’t meet even ONE person who’s gained even 1 inch of length, it was mainly complaints about turtling, about people wasting their time for no gains and only thing that seemed as truth was that it feels great to use. So for those of you who have done pumping for quite some time now regardless of bathmate or some other product - is the reality really harsh?

From what I have seen on this forum for people doing the regular PE routines, most gain an inch in a year and then another inch in the next couple of years. With pumping, I haven’t seen one legit user who’s gained anything like that apart from the one I’ve mentioned but I noticed he was not only doing it for 10+ years, he already had amazing genetics to begin with, almost 8 inches. I’d have loved for the bathmate google reality to have been the truth, I’m ready to put the hours in to work but my terrible ‘members’ just wouldn’t allow me. Pumping looked like my saviour until it didn’t.

So if Bathmate and other pumping products can’t deliver the results normal jelqing/stretching can.. Is there any other method that can? Only other thing I’ve heard about on here is hanging and it seems this isn’t something any newbies jump to although I wouldn’t mind doing it as long as it provides result and CAN be done by a newbie. If any of you can recommend a method/routine or whatever it is that can come up with the results normal PE routines deliver, I’d be indebted for life. Don’t think anyone can realize how tough I have it in my head right now because of this.

In addition to Titleist many guys have gained from pumping, including me. The majority of us recommend a pump with a gauge, which is not a Bathmate and usually means an air pump, if you pump without a gauge you can easily pump with too much vacuum which can quickly lead to injuries from minor to severe.

Nice eye to spot who I’m talking about. Don’t let that sound disrespectful or stupid in any way but from your progress I can see you’ve gained like half an inch only in a couple of years? Do you think it’s been worth the almost daily effort and time? I’ll be honest, I’m 22 and still a virgin, all due to my size. I feel like with every day passing, I feel worse about never having touched a girl. I know there’s no ”get rich quick scheme” over here but 0.5” after years of effort just doesn’t sound lucrative and will hardly make a difference to my horrific member.

I actually gained an inch in length (and an inch in girth). After a surgery to remove some excess skin around my stomach I lost an inch in length, most likely due to my penis exit point being a little higher and the ligs adjusting to it. I then re gained 0.5” back, so when looking at my stats it appears I only gained 0.5”. I haven’t been overly motivated to go after the “lost” 0.5” in length. I’ve been married over 30 years and my wife has been happy with my dick at all stages. The exception being the few weeks when my ED resulted in no erections.

Pumping is easy and has an added benefit of a complementary treatment for my ED by circulating fresh blood into my penis. My expectation is that I will be pumping for many years. My wife knows I pump so I just do my routine while in bed first thing in the morning and at the end of the day.

At this stage it is just what I do so there is no negative aspect with it.

You’re blessed with 7 inches originally, some of us barely have 5, ha. I’m honestly so confused and frustrated right now and I see no one in the forum can understand my pain re jelqs. There’s so much information on this forum which can be a bad thing at times because there’s lots of contradicting opinions. You and Title will vouch for pumping then an army of naysayers will appear. I’m low on motivation as you can see, I got filled with unrealistic expectations from YDAY with the paid bathmate reviews and then I go to see people saying they’ve been doing bathmate pumping for more than a year with zero progress. Being a virgin at my age is a nightmare, you’d probably understand. I’m kinda stuck between two things now - to give pumping, bathmate or not, a try or go yolo on hanging. I’ve seen on Bib’s forum (think that won’t count as an ad because it seems the sites have some partnership?) that there’s quite a few that started their PE life with hanging and not the newbie routine with jelqing/stretching that even though I haven’t practiced more than 5 times, I’m familiar with. If you ask me about my goals, I’d ideally want an inch in a year of doing some method non-stop and another inch grinded over the next couple of years. Don’t think pumping can give me such big results from what I’ve read otherwise I’d be more than happy to do it. Hanging on the other hand seems like the big gains generator but it looks a bit complicated doesn’t it? You see my dilemma now. Pain, pain, pain!

Tons of people understand your pain and have been there, me included. Unfortunately, pe takes trial and error to see what methods your individual penis will respond to. Each person is different. Try methods, record results, refine, then change as you adapt or need to. The key is diligence and awareness of your penis’s response to each excercise. I pump and have seen results.

If you really don’t want to do the newbie routine, you could buy a pump with a gauge and do light pumping before manuals. Like a warmup. Let’s say 3hg for 2x5 minutes sessions?
Then, you can give jelqing a new go with your pumped penis, it’ll be easier.
Don’t buy a bathmate. It’ll only work for a few people that can bear high pressures. I tried it for a year, it gave me nothing more than discoloration. The pressure was too strong to make any gains.

You have to start somewhere anyway. But I feel like you have mixed feelings on PE. So decide yourself, and be consistent, whatever your feelings are.

Thunders is the only not for profit (free) PE site and is not affiliated with any other PE sites. We have no advertising of any kind and do not commercially support one product over another. We do allow commercial member accounts which are plainly identified and have restrictions on how and where they can promote their products.

If a moderator or member recommend a specific product it is because they have used it and are recommending it from their personal use. They get no financial benefit from doing so.

Bib (and DLD ) were once active members here, albeit 18-20 years ago. Many members here are active on other PE sites and we have no issues with it. You can reference other sites and even link to other sites. You cannot copy/paste any copyrighted material, from another PE site or any site.

While it is not against forum rules, I will share my personal view that it is bad form for a member to reference info from another PE site to bolster their (usually poor) argument about a given technique in a discussion here. Example: “Well the 8 million members on this other site said to drink coffee with your left hand not your right hand so you are wrong on how to drink coffee”. To which my standard response is “STFU”. Because, yeah, I know how to debate.

Was all of this genuinely needed?

Hanging is considered a more complex (and higher risk of injury) than other techniques. We strongly encourage members to start with the Newbie Routine before transitioning to the more complex techiques of hanging and clamping.

A couple of the many benefits of starting with the newbie routine are that you are conditioning your penis for PE activity and you are gaining greater understanding of how your penis reacts to the new stimuli. A good analogy is that of running a marathon. You start training by running short distances and work up to the longer distances over time.

Pumping is a technique you can take on early in your training.

You read contradicting opinions kn every technique because, unfortunately, what works for one guy may not work for another. Some guys cannot stand pumping at realatively low vac levels of 3inHg. It is just too painful for them. Others find they can go to 10inHg with no pain. To be clear we do recommend a pumping program of no more than 5inHg, especially when starting out.

A main point I’d like to share with you is that if you are waiting to have sex until your penis is larger then you are missing out on many many positive things including building close relationships, and oh yeah, sex. Sex is great, sex is fun, sex is magnificent. Even when sex is bad it is good (guys point of view). Sex with someone you have a caring relationship with is a hundred times better. So get out there and have some fun.

To clear the record from when you said you thought Thunders was affiliated with other PE sites, yes. Other members read these posts also.

i feel you bro.

i have the same problem with manual stretch every time i do it i soft injure myself [no idea why].

so i decrease it to once a week and all my routine is jelq and pump instead.

so far gained 1cm length and need to measure girth soon [but have a good feeling about it].

anyway i bet you can gain with only stretch and pump some P.E exercise do not fit any 1.

but from what i remember peoples in the forum prefer pumping as additional exercise and not only so keep doing manual stretching and other things that you can do.

Random, please do us all a favor and use proper capitalization.

Please go for a pump with a gauge, I used a bathmate and I did get immediate temporary results but the pressure was too much for my penis plus I think if you are going for length a pump that uses a hand pump which is pulling the water out is the best because it also pulls your penis. The bathmate uses a bellow system that they call a gator, it pushes the water out so you are expanding sides way more than length.

Hey man I feel you. I was also a virgin around 22 because off many reasons like being fat, playing world of warcraft all day after work, having a shitty job, very little money saved up and horrible social skills.

But I decided to get better. Started going to the gym lifting weigths. going out running ever other day. and reduced my time playing wow. Started eating better and started helping some friends in the gym. I was miserable and pushed through anyway. Just a month or two (maybe it was a bit longer), I meet a girl friend who lives in the same aparment complex and we go to the same gym. We started chatting and she showed a lot of interest but I was to clueless to understand it, and also to afraid to make a move.

Eventually after new years eve being away on a party out of town with my wow friends (see such a ladies man I was), I hooked up with her and lasted about 2 minutes and lost the condom inside her. She had to get a day after pill.

This short story isn’t even giving it justice how fucked up I was.

Moral of the story, I was fat, pale, computer nerd playing wow in a dead end job. Started taking some action to improve my life, and ONLY focused on that. Then I started eating better and being more positive helping my new friends get better in the gym. I meet a girl and we have sex a couple of months later.

Just focus on improving yourself. Buy a pump with a gauge and water reservoir. read up on water pumping. start doing 1-3 set of 5 minutes water pumping with max 5hg! then gradually increase intesity.

Just by start taking steps in a better future for yourself, will eventually lead to good outcomes. You probably have 5-10 girls dreaming of you right now, you are just to focused on feeling sorry for yourself. Be active and life might turn around sooner than you think.