Question about pumps

I’m currently using an extender along with jelqs and kegels for my workouts, fairly new to PE. I was thinking about maybe getting another device.I’ve always discarded pumps because I’m not interested in temporary gains, I’m looking for the permanent gains. Today I just found out about this bathmate and I’m curious to know if it’s worth the $$ as I’m not rich by any means. Can I achieve the same results using my hands or is it worth trying out, main reason why I’m interested is because I usually always do my PE in the shower and I just thought having a device that you could use in the water could be very beneficial however, I don’t want to waste my $$. I’ve heard you can also use this water pump as a warm up, I’m currently using a hot towel in the shower to warm up. I also heard through other threads that it does make you bigger but is it all hype when it comes to permanent gains? The main question I really want answered is can I get the same results just using my hands as opposed to using this bathmate device?? It does sound really cool, not gonna lie.

Sry in advance if this thread should be in the pumper form I just figured since I’m a noob I’d start here. Thanks.

Tons of info on this device. Do an advanced search for bathmate in the title only.

I did, one of them has like 70 pages of it, I really just wanted to know if you can achieve permanent gains because if not I don’t think it’s worth the $$.

I’ll just stick to my hands then, it’s alot cheaper buying a bottle of some KY :)

There has always been a debate as to whether pumping gives permanent results or not. I think the secret to achieving permanent results is to use low pressure and avoid damage or injury. I think that is the problem with the bathmate. The device does not have a pressure gauge so it is easy to go overboard and cause injury.

I always recommend that newbie pumps start with an air pump with a pressure gauge so they can keep pressure low and avoid injury.

Hmm I guess maybe it’s not for me, I was going to do the jelqs n kegals and then the water pump but if the chances of permanent gains are the same with air pumps then maybe I’ll start out with an air pump then. I was only interested because apparently the water pump is alot safer compared to the air pump.

Thanks again for the info, I’d rather keep my $$, I thought maybe it would be as effective as an extender but I guess not. I’ll stick to my hands.. Maybe I’m just afriad of hard work? :)

Arsenal, pumping is not difficult. I think it’s one of the easiest forms of PE there is. Apply pump and cylinder, achieve vacuum, maintain vacuum. remove vacuum. Repeat as desired. Optional: jelq in between. How much easier can it get?

With enough privacy, you can apply the cylinder, get your vacuum, and do something else while your pumping session is going on. You may want to set a timer, just so you don’t lose track of time. It’s pretty effortless.