Short Sets Vs Long Sets For Long-term Growth?

I’ve read multiple different views about how long pumping sets should last and how many sets should be used throughout the years. One side argues that shorter sets are best because of more recycled oxygenated blood flow, while the other argues that longer sets are better once conditioned because they allow more expansion over time. I tried both ways and haven’t figured out what is best. I currently pump 30min sets twice a day and have done 2x15min sets and even a single 30min session. The 2x15 and 3x10min sets have resulted in slight expansion and improved vascularity, but nothing compared to a single set.

After pumping for 3x10min, i grew 1/16”.

After pumping for 2x15min, I grew 1/8” post workout.

After pumping 1x30min, I grew 1/4” post workout.

The longer set clearly showed more expansion, but also more fluid. Vascularity was still present, vut not compared to the previous experiences.

Typically fluid build up comes when the tissues expand far more than normally. I’m lead to believe that the most expansion with the least amount of edema is best. If I went 1x45min, there was a good amount of edema and very little difference between 1x30min set.

What are all of your opinions on long pumping sets vs shorter pump sets?

Any thoughts?

My personal opinion is that pumping provides great immediate gratification. However, the method of these gains are more fluid based and place little stress on the tunica.

Jelqing, clamping, extending, hanging, are all examples of exercises that provide real stress that promote long term gains.

That’s an interesting theory. I managed to gain length and girth over the years and I believe pumping helped growth. I gained length when I stretched and pumped daily and gained girth when I did more intense stretching and pumping with more rest days. I think pumping is like high reps in the gym. You will need to break down you muscles woth moderate reps and heavier weights, then adding higher reps to push blood into the damage tissue.

I am somewhat in a maintenance phase, but I have usually coupled a morning longer pump session (heated) with immediate placement into a stretcher for the cool down (and beyond) period. I did see significant gains, albeit as a part of a pretty aggressive overall program.the theory being somewhat based on Kyrpa’s observations of need for tension Post heat.

I can’t say I agree with the former (100%). What I can agree with is pumping (compared to all/most forms of PE) will provide the most immediate feedback in the form of physically feeling and visually seeing a change. That in itself is indeed temporary.

However, that immediate change can yield lasting results if intentionality and diligence are applied. Very similar to the modalities you mentioned; they too won’t provide “long term gains” if done hear and there and lacking the aforementioned

Exactly, 90+% of my gains are from pumping only…
I do 30-35 min at 10h and the last minute i will ocassionally pulse to 15 and let it decline back to 10… i do this a few or more times during that minute… i however do not suggest this at all to anyone else….

I think some of the disparity on opinions of pumping is due to tube selection and time.

A tube that’s a fairly close fit will favor length; a loose tube will favor girth.

Pumping is limited by time. In a snug tube working for length, you’ll start developing a donut, which is your time limit, unless you want the donut.

When you pack a loose tube, pressure is now equal on both sides of your skin; there’s no pull on the tunica any more.

I have a fairly similar routine except for I do so 2-3 times a day with 6 or so hours in between each set and I dynamic pump up to my desired level

Would be amazing if someone can gather all data from gained pumpers to see whether we should go long or short. Would save us a lot of time!

It’s way more complex than that is the reason you WONT find a universal answer. What works for (1) may not work for another

At the end of the day, you’re responsible for finding out what works best for you by way of trial, error but most importantly observation

This forum is set us to provide info and you do with it what makes sense and you’re willing to try

I have a suggestion from experience.

Start with short sets and low pressure to accustom / condition yourself.

Then as you build up the conditioning start adding 5 minutes every month.

How do you feel? What effect is it having on growth? How is your morning wood?

If something is negative back off to the prior level.

I found that 35 minutes at 5-6HG is my sweet spot. Above this timeframe and I get an effect I don’t like. I rarely have time but if I do I can add another set at this time as long as there is a break between them. I rarely do as life is too busy. One of the things that made me stick with pumping is that I don’t have to overthink it. 35 minutes most days, life gives me occasional off days, and I grow and it works like it should.

I don’t work with pressure and never go above 5-6HG. Others do with success so you might like to try a similar approach to trying increasing the pressure if you feel you need to.

The only thing I will add, that I always say, is consistency trumps intensity. Just put in the days of work - let the growth and healthy erections occur.

Settle on being the tortoise not the hare and find what works for you.

I have found success with various approaches however the best was a mixture of stretching, jelqing, and pumping.

Moderation has been key for me, consistency is required, and plenty of rest.

One of the best aspects of being part of Thunders is not merely the ability to grow but the ability to share in the journey of others and contribute.

What grew most was that within.

If a set is over 10 minutes, I get edema. A little part of a donut. I can do 3 or 4, 10-minute sets and not get edema. I can do 1, 10-minute set and then do a 13 minute set, and get edema from that. I do notice most expansion after 30 minutes with 50 minutes total pump time yielding massive increase. I do 3 warm up sets of 3-5 minutes each to total about 9 to 10 minutes of total warm up time. Then on to 10-minute sets.

I guess the shorter set length with more sets possible lead to more overall “clean” swelling and even pumped expansion.

First poster here. Couple of observations:
1. It’s difficult to use heat when pumping. I have a couple of ideas. I pretty much only do it in the sauna, but of course that doesn’t help you if you don’t have a sauna. I don’t know how hot I’m getting there. I have used a “chicken brooder lamp” (by this I mean just a simple $10 red bulb with 250W) and you can get dang hot with that. I don’t know how popular it is to try to use heat. The conventional wisdom seems to be you need heat.
2. I had a hand pump and the gauge was inaccurate. I finally got around to calibrating and I find I was over pumping.
3. I got my cylinders from Joel Kaplan who suggests something like 3 sets totally 40 minutes in a single session with some little breaks in there. That’s what I’ve been doing. At 5” vacuum I don’t get edema from this.
3. I don’t do it every day, but I’m pretty toughened up by now and maybe I should.

I am curious what longer times at less intensity would do, and I’ve read some here. But again, I won’t really know unless I do only that.