Began Gains Report - Day 13

Today is 12/11/16. Measured 3 days ago AND yesterday just to be sure, the first time was before any PE (ruling out expansion based inflated measurements) and MSEG came out to 5 2/16”. I’m very meticulous with my measurement methodology so 5 2/16” is the number. 2/16” may not seem like a large jump, however it took place in less than 2 weeks. However my mind plays tricks on me, 2 weeks of diligence/sacrifice felt like an eternity. I did my routine despite being sleep deprived, “tired”, not “feeling” like it, having a couple drinks, having got home past midnight. I have not made one excuse nor skipped one workout. Our gains are a reflection of our habits.

I moved away from clamping, mainly because I didn’t see many good PI’s and it was slightly cold/painful if I did a 10min set. My MSEG like near PONR and then measuring was exactly 5”. I measure with the middle of the tape dead-on the end of my circumcision scar, so it doesn’t shift up or down at all between measuring.

Went back to newbie routine on 11/7/16
2 day on/ 1 day off split
5-10min warm up rice sock
5min stretching
100 jelqs (3-5sec each roughly)
5-10min edging

Funny back story, I used to jelq 10min starting out, then worked my way up to like 25min slowly and I saw no gains. Now that I merely do 100 jelqs I’m seeing gains. I think I’m a less if more type of person. This gain MAY or MAY NOT have been a case of gaining back old gains from before. If you read my older posts, you’ll see I hit 5 2/16” while jelqing before as well however lost it when I traveling and slacked off on my PE. I didn’t really think I would lose it, thus lacked the persistence to cement the gains.
My habits: Some people want to know the habits of people like me when we’re gaining. There’s probably not much difference with other people, I take my vitamins, fish oil, have a cup of coffee in the morning. I strength train probably 3 times a week. I intermittent fast as well, meaning I eat my calories for the day (1800 on non lift days, 2100 on lift days), but only eat during 4pm and 12pm. It is supposed to elevate your HGH levels 2000%, which has shaved off 1/4” off my waist, added .7” to my arms roughly each, and and inch to my chest/back measurements. Again I don’t know if there’s any correlation between my lifestyle and body changes, but it’s out there if you think it matters.

My goal short term goal is now 5 4/16”.
Long term goal is 5.5” so I’ve got a ways to go. Persistence is the key to success in all things in life, why not PE?

Happy gains everyone, PE works you just need to plan out realistic goals on timeframes, analyze like a scientist why the progress hasn’t been made. Lower your routine to a SUPER minimal amount even if it’s only like say for example 20-50jelqs for an entire workout. Then monitor PI’s, if good PI’s just wait for the gains. My own personal opinion is, if gains don’t come in say 2 months, not even 1/16” but PI’s are still good, then you should up the intensity. I haven’t upped my intensity simply because I want to know that I’m not gaining for a 6 weeks before I know I should probably increase workout intensity/time.

Happy gains guys, I’ve keep you updated on further progress and my notes~

Hey man congrats on your gains!

Thanks Dvdk, got some impressive length gains yourself there.

Okay awesome, I kept at the same routine and I lost the 2/16 MSEG and am back down to 5”..

Is it okay to kegel during measurements?

Anyway, started the newbie routine at 200 jelqs, by far the most volume I’ve done.

2 on 1 off
5min warm up
2.5min stretching
200 jelqs
Ulis/Jelq squeeze 3-5 sec x 20 (alternating each workout)
Edging few min
Warm down

No aches afterward. We’ll see how morning wood is, although I never got consistent morning wood before PE either. Maybe like 3 times a week before, so my PI’s are tough to gauge.

I believe I am still undertraining my unit, as I’ve seen no gains in he past month of serious PE. Never saw gains in other routines from July through September 16’ either. I’ll keep ramping up the jelqs by 10% each week until I hit some growth, long as PI’s are neutral or better.

Wish me luck!

Good luck!

Checking in today!

Length & girth gains + 4/16” BPEL, and + 2/16 MSEG.

Okay I have always just scratched 6.75” BPEL, and that’s been for the past six months. Measured today and I am at 7” BPEL exactly (little more actually on a couple measurements but 7” was the least of all 4 separate times I measured). This is freakin amazing, I’m not sure I can sleep I’m so pumped.

First time I measured I was in shock, I didn’t even believe it lol.
Recently I’ve fluctuated and my MSEG has been between 5 to 5 2/16”. Today not only was it back to it’s 5 2/16” measurement, but it flirted with 5 3/16”. I won’t call it 5 3/16” until it hits it again. Could have just been the expansion that caused it.

Okay, I had hoped that I was a less is more person, but it seems that I need atleast around 200 jelqs (3-5 sec avg) to get any gains. I didn’t get any from even routines up to 24 min before. Or from stretching routines up to 15 and 20 min long. I think the time thing is a more difficult way to keep track of jelqs than reps IMO.

Also, I always stuck to my PI’s based on the info here, and it appears that may have kept me from progressing. I expected erections at night, morning, randomly if I was jelqing the correct volume. However, my little fella was super calm today, hung real loose, didn’t get excited, no morning wood or anything that didn’t require stimulus. But I gained in length and girth. Maybe I gained back lost girth but it seemed even bigger than before.

I did notice something though today during my short 5min of stretching, my unit seemed extra stretchy/pliable directly after the warm up. I already knew something was up before I even started into the meat of the routine, I thought like it might have been like dead and I would have to take a break. But I tested it, got an erection then after working up an erection I thought hmmm, it looks kinda big.. I wonder. Then measurements confirmed.

I don’t necessarily believe that you have to have morning wood, night wood etc to indicate good PI’s. I think the flaccid hang may be somewhat of an indicator. Based on my own experience, I don’t believe you have to have a higher frequency of erections to indicate growth is coming. I’m sure I’ll get a lot of criticism on this. However, I said it’s just my opinion based on my own results. I’m gonna stick with what’s working, and increase by 20 jelqs each week until a decon break around the 7th week.

Happy gains everyone, hope you find your magic volume somehow for growth.

Still chasing 7.5” x 5.5”~~~

One of the theories behind the involuntary erections (night and morning wood) is that a person are getting these erections to maintain the penis main functions, like a “use it or lose it” situation. Other theory is that all this blood rush, that promotes the erection, is for healing/recovery reasons (stimulated further by PE exercises).

I would say, if your voluntary erections are fine, I wouldn’t worry much about night and morning woods.

Bigger flaccid could mean that the locally metabolism has changed, in short, whatever you are doing, is working. To repair, built and grow, body will automatically increase the blood flow, and thankfully this we can easily notice.

Okay Lenny I’ll stick to monitoring the voluntary EQ, since I don’t get a lot of random involuntary 100% erections, except for sometimes in the mornings I noticed. It’s usually late in the morning though and I wake up early sometimes so don’t give it a chance to happen maybe, I can’t say for sure.

I’ll keep a sharp eye on the flaccid, I wonder how much one can increase their flaccid by. I’ve seen numerous mentions of it, but not many people regularly track their flaccids. Mine is around 4” usually. Hopefully it’s closer to 5 in a month or so!

Or your random erections are happening while you are in the deepest stages of the sleep, not allowing you to notice it. If you spin much while sleeping, sleep over your belly, wear a tight underwear/pants or wake several times to pee, these erections could be catched easily.

I move, spin a lot in my sleep. I still don’t always notice them every night or morning. It does happen though, I always thought it was just the hormones in high gear early in the mornings. I’ll see what happens in the mornings this proceeding week. Thanks Lenny

I’ve never seen anyone use the measurements 4/16” and 2/16” haha. Might be easier for people reading to reduce the fractions to 1/4” and 1/8” in these cases. Or maybe I’m just being neurotic? Anyway. Congrats on the gains!

86dream yeah haha I am a bit ocd I guess.

Because sometimes I gain 1/16” I like to keep it uniform among all fractions for ease of tracking and calculating stats. I just like to be consistent lol.

Also, for everyone else. My EQ was a bit down after my first workout with 200 full jelqs, but I gained? Strange I thought you are always supposed to be getting bettet EQ at end of workout otherwise many people believe that is overtraining. I’m not sure I buy it completely. Quite possible I’m over reading my PI’s thinking they’re not positive. Food for thought.

Questions for you Lenny. What did you think of Clamping PI-wise? Do you think it contributed to your girth gains?

When I clamped, it seemed uncomfortable, not having much circulation and maybe even dangerous. Also as soon as I took the clamp off, turned to limp rope instantly and kinda hard to get it back up. I didn’t see any gains, although I only did 2 x 10min clamps 2on 1off. Maybe it wasn’t enough. I just hated the cold feeling of the member, not cold to the touch, but started feeling coldish. Never turned black or blue or anything, just never felt progress when I attempted it. It just looked kinda big in the clamp, which may have just been an illusion of having the clamp on and the shaft appearing shorter. My personal general consensus now, is that jelqing is pretty effective once you work up enough volume to get gains. And clamping has not been, and the feeling of it was kinda freaky.

Your thoughts??

What are your thoughts on jelqing vs clamping?

Attempted clamping several times, without success, unfortunately. Always wanted to be a clamper, since my registration here, but my body doesn’t want to deal with this at this moment, I believe.

Currently doing squeezes, that are similar to clamping, but less aggressive. In both cases, PI or remained the same or improved, but additional size wasn’t noticed.

My girth jump started after a deconditioning break, followed by Linear Newbie Routine and mild pumping, with constant heat.

Someday I will find a way to profit from the clamping.

You could be using the clamping device too tight, because coldness is mainly from the blockage of the fresh blood … very dangerous to block completely the inflow. After the cold feeling, numbness and tingling starts, followed by changes in color. At this point, permanent damage are eminent and about to happen.

At 2 ON by 1 OFF schedule could be considered overtraining already. Since clamping is the heaviest and most advanced exercise for girth, the next day should be for total rest. For some people, 1 ON by 2-3 OFF is required.

Jelqing is the base of PE. Doing it properly, you can gain length, girth and maintain the penis vital functions (EQ). For some, clamping is the last resort and should be implemented only when you can’t find gains somewhere else.

Yeah I’ll hold off on clamping and maybe re-visit with more caution if I run out of options.

BTW I posted in the progress and pics thread gains pics of difference in length from only 10 days of workouts. I think the pics are still pending review, but even just the .25” BPEL is noticeable. I have a theory that the guys with crazy vein structures developed with more hormones flowing, and the vein structure is beneficial to PE.