Invincibull's progress journal 2024

Quick update:
After reading/referring to comments on Thundersplace by numerous members suggesting minimum amount of jelqs to start with, I attempted 50 jelqs yesterday and today. Bad idea. It refuses to stand up for daddy now, hopefully two days break will be sufficient. I knew everybody’s sensitivity differs but thought my previous clamping experience would allow me to handle it.

Back to 15 jelqs, increasing 5 jelqs weekly. Not sure if I can gain from it, but I will try to master jelqing technique in the meantime. Personally believes that more "sensitive" penis will be able to gain from low quantity jelqs because it’s weaker (?). If I can gain from it then I guess it can contribute to "less is more" theory. Honestly can’t tell how people handle starting with 200 jelqs newbie routine, bummer. Not ranting, pure curiosity.

Would like to ask if anybody knows why my erection is significantly stronger when I’m lying on my bed about to sleep, could it be pelvic issue? Personally, hypertension runs in my family and my blood pressure is at 135/89; would it be possible that because I’m about to sleep that my blood pressure runs lower thus allowing my erection to run stronger?

Also thank you tenaciousD. At this point I will be doing P.E. With the intention of enhancing my erection quality, sometimes when I actually get 100% erection quality and look in the mirror, it feels like I will be able to poke a hole through plaster walls. If I can atleast improve my E.Q then lack of growth wouldn’t affect me as much.

Tolerance for stress from PE varies. As you noted, a rest and reset at a lower number of jelqs is the correct response.

It’s always a bit of a surprise when you go a bit too far and EQ tanks. Next time it happens - and it probably will, as you increase your routine - it will just be a temporary annoyance.

You might look into some of the stretching routines while you’re building up your jelquing reps. Stretching loads the tissues differently, and you may be able to add a reasonable number of stretches without compromising EQ. Stretches are mostly out of favor now, but that doesn’t mean they’re not useful.

+1 with AndyJ.

The amount of jelqs that affect your EQ now will not be an issue as you condition your tissues—you’ll be able to tolerate more and more over time. Just keep slowly adding. The initial phase is not very long in the scheme of things.

There are guys that only use manual stretches and have gained 1-2 inches with a 30 minute routine 4 or 5 days a week. Check out this guy’s video on manuals. He’s a young MD who has documented significant gains just from manual stretches.

Also, if EQ is a goal, consider a kegel routine. Lots of info on the site here for that.

Thanks everyone for shedding lights on me since the 13th of January 2024, especially tenaciousD’s consistent pep talk.

I intended to make this thread my 2024 progress journal, but however seemingly currently is not really in a positive status at the moment.

The intended recipient of the following post is for people that haven’t tried P.E and is keen on starting out, hopefully this can make some contribution and make up for my seemingly not giving an effort in P.E even though I swore by my thread.

Readers, please take it with a grain of salt for the following information I’m about to say. I’ve not made gains at all, have not much experience in P.E., and is just a pick packer working in a warehouse therefore not smart. I’m just a very logical man with ADHD, and this is my thought/idea I would like to share for people new to P.E that may come across to my thread, the following are just some points I’ve read and would like to share.

I’ve been on a break since my last post, and will continue my new routine tomorrow on Monday the 4th of March. Given, I haven’t gained because I’ve been inconsistent due to suspecting under-working my unit, which in turn leads to increasing frequency and ended up overworking it which led to negative indicators; truth to be told, my penis condition have been worrying until two days ago and now it looks livelier.

During my break, I’ve been browsing through thread and posts, attempting to satisfy my curiosity and answering the "whys" in my head. How can people handle 10 times what I attempted? Is less more or more more? Is positive indicator essential for growth? How is it that people claimed that they gained without experiencing positive indicators. How important is expansion? Is there a "set" frequency of jelqing needed to be achieved in order to achieve optimal expansion? Why is it that during my clamping period, despite achieving consistent expansion of 0.5 to 0.75 inch expansion for 3 months, no gain was achieved? Is there a sure-fire way of gaining for everyone?

When I came across quik4life (Q4L) thread the other day, it scared me further more. It scares me that what if I spent so much time on my effort but it ended up to no avail? But, how did this guy not gained when he was so consistent throughout his own journey? This reminded me of myself clamping every other day religiously despite having mental issue that makes it extra difficult in executing tasks.

From what I could gather from thundersplace, there are few reasons one might not gain that I personally find making sense

1. Under-working: You’re not working your unit hard enough, force or time wise, you’re dealing too little damage to let your unit realize it has to grow stronger for upcoming beating
2. Overworking: You’re working your unit too hard, force or time wise, it can’t heal enough in time to overcome the damage you’re dealing to it. You deal too much damage that it entered "Fatal" status and now it has a "respawn" timer.
3. Warm up/down factor: You’re not warming up your unit enough, it is said that it helps in term of expansion, achieving/improving gains, and most importantly it will help making it safer for you to conduct your P.E. Routine.
4. Too conditioned from prior exercises: Similar to under-working, since you’ve leveled up your unit to level 99 already, you simply don’t get enough experience from level 10 workouts
5. Unsuitable exercises: Your current exercises doesn’t impact the area of your unit that is essential for growth. You have to delve into other manuals or look into devices

Are these points the definitely truth? I don’t know, but I say, they’re worth taking into consideration because it is something you’ll be spending months, up to years; you spend a few hours here and there looking now, and it is something that will potentially benefit you months or years in the near future. Nobody really knows when it comes to P.E., that’s where the Exclusion method comes in place. Eliminate potential factor one by one, it will lead us closer to the truth.

Is there really something considered as a really sensitive unit? From my recent 1 month experience where I’ve literally taken more than 2 weeks off, I say, yes. Though, I don’t really have much information to work with apart from what I could gather from Q4L’s and myself (albeit short-lived) consistency throughout our workouts, also some others that claimed they couldn’t gain regardless how they’ve been religiously doing/done P.E one thing I realize and acknowledges is that we’re all dying to achieve gains, and how does this affect our mindset? We might extend too far to places we shouldn’t have been; just like myself clamping my penis death choking (20 toe shields) it for 3 months without any prior P.E experiences. I didn’t care about my erection quality back then, if my unit gets up, it gets a beating. I’ve been attempting a Level 50 raid boss with my Level 1 wooden club with its Level 1 cloth Armour. I’m thankful my unit stick-ed with me until now.

Now, is there a surefire routine for gain? No, but closest routine to this would be the Linear Newbie Routine by J123. I see it here and there sometimes, but believes that it deserves more fame than it currently has. It is a good foundation not ONLY for conditioning your unit, but help you realize factors that contribute your gain, or help you realize why your unit isn’t gaining. Why I think so?

1. For average people, you’re very likely, to start out with Under-working your unit. Though, this is still very beneficial. You’re conditioning your unit slowly to ENSURE that it is in optimal/healthy condition for when you enter frequency/zone that help/encourage you gain. Not only that, you’re still enhancing your erection quality regardless. You know you will own a penis that can puncture plaster walls while working through a safe routine, sleep well, sleep tight.
2. You’re very aware that you’re not Overworking your unit. You know you’re not damaging your penis FATALLY on frequent basis. You know your penis have sufficient time to heal up the damage you’ve been dealing to it. You know your penis is in good condition to have sex when your partner demands it (one thing which I haven’t gotten for 28 years, sigh). You know your unit can stand-up straight with head held high when needed. You know you’re not beating your partner unconscious every time you work on it.
3. Coordination- You know how to progressive overload your routine, force, time-wise (frequency) accordingly. It is simply clear, and precise. Many people suggests to spend 3 months conditioning your unit, but I say, if you feel or suspect that you have more sensitive unit, take 6 months up or more. Going through pain will take you two steps backward (mark my word).
4. Haven’t gotten gains after few months despite working your unit consistently? Refer to point 5 above, and since you know you couldn’t have been beating up your unit into a fatal status where it can’t recover in time every time you work, simply delve into other variance of manuals, devices, or simply continue increasing your frequency if you’re stubborn.
5. You think that you’re starting with too low quantity of a jelq. I truly can relate, truly, therefore lets jelq whole hearted-ly, slowly, concentrating on the quality of every single jelq, because every single jelq matters.

Time is the most important factor affecting our decisions in choosing a routine. I do realize some of you guys want to gain as soon as possible therefore may choose a routine that maybe employed by bigger population, but I say, go with your feelings. I admittedly have a very very small penis and want quick gain as well, but this is simply something you can’t rush. If your girl dump you because you have a smaller than desired penis, is this girl really deserving the whole world you plan to give her? What makes you believe that she will not go for somebody else with a bigger unit to satisfy her biological need when you guys are currently or to be in a relationship? Just like previous posts where fellow members have been giving me motivation talk, I truly also believe that what helps most in sex (note: coming from a virgin) is connection between the two of yous, and is realistically the type you should be looking for (though, I’m a virgin, so, I don’t know man.). I have zero experience, I’m just a very logical man (boy).

If you still insist on picking the original newbie routine, please, adjust it accordingly, compare the Newbie routine and Linear routine and seek balance at the least. Level up your unit safely before approaching dungeon bosses. Your unit might not die from overworking, but think of it in term of game, if you die, even if you will re-spawn, you still dropped your gears therefore bringing you two steps backward.
IF you ever experience pain when doing something (For instance, manual stretching), stop, maybe you gripped your vein a little too hard, lets re-grip it safe-er this time. Feeling of stretched is objective in any P.E workouts, not pain (too much damage for very likely no reason at all).

If you’ve already been working on your unit prior to using linear routine however to no avail, take in between one month to three month decon off, or perhaps more. Does this really help? I can’t guarantee. However, you, I, we, know that that’s one of potential factor that prohibit gain off the list. We will know being overly-conditioned (refer to first point 4) isn’t one of the possible reason IF we didn’t gain in the near future.

Do you have medical condition you suspect that MAY POTENTIALLY affect your gain? I have hypertension, it affects my blood flow which affects my EQ and POTENTIALLY gains. Address it. Take medication. However hypertension medication affect my penis erectile function, therefore I supplement it with safe supplements and workouts. Now we have one more potential factor prohibiting gain off the list. Do this at your own risk, please refer to safe dosage of anything prior to taking it. Research, investigate, spend little time now to benefit the greater you in the future.

I say, adapt as much concepts/theories shared on thundersplace that you believe to be making sense. Doesn’t work for you? Great, that’s one potential factor off the list, lets not do it next time. When it comes to the unknown, why pick one? Go for both! However, wisely, only when they don’t contradict each other.

Do any of us really know anything regarding P.E.? I say perhaps, because nobody is really capable of verifying the authenticity of some concepts and theories proposed even by veterans.
Take everything with a grain of salt, don’t blindly believe in anything you see/read just because it is coming from a more experienced people than you. Investigate, look into it. Does it make sense? If it make sense, employ the idea. If it doesn’t make sense, don’t employ the idea, or employ it up to a safe degree. We all own our own body, therefore do something you believe to work and is safe for you so there are no severe consequences, regrets nor blaming people on the internet.

Since there is nothing definite when coming to P.E., like what I have been suggesting in this post, employ the Exclusion method (trial and error). Also, read experiences of fellow members on Thunderplaces, they’re sharing their experience because they believe it to bring positive or negative experience. They went through it themselves, and is wanting to contribute their experiences for the greater of P.E., for better of worse (With a grain of salt). Just treat it as reading Reddit posts, some maybe trolling, fuming, or wholeheartedly contributing. Know this, nobody really suffer the consequences of your own action, please be wise (unless you’re a psychopath harming other people, please don’t)

Readers, this is just my way of conveying my message (as a non-native speaker). I’m not intending to teach, preach or guide.
Therefore, I asks of anyone to criticize what I wrote if there seems to be anything not making sense, therefore I can make tweaks/improvement. I believe criticism and debates helps us understand a little more of anything (unknowns that is however known by the other party).

Can anybody shed some light based on their own experience commencing with a lower frequency routine (I wanted to say easier, however the concept of being easy is perceived differently by every individuals, someones easy maybe difficult for others)

I am aware, and sorry for double posting however I have to make a clarification

In the second Point 2 of Overworking, I said "You know you’re not beating your partner unconscious every time you work on it." I was referring to your penis, not your girlfriend/wife. Please don’t hurt your actual partner.

Also,

Just because somebody achieved something positively under certain circumstances, it doesn’t mean you’re capable to, should, or attempt. Life is unfair, however I truly believe that life is only fair because it is unfair (deep). This is coming from a person with ADHD and several other mental illness, (and bad penis size genes).

Comparison is the root of all evil. When coming to the unknown, we do it safely, safely enough that we know we can suffer the consequences if anything were to happen.

I willingly will suffer the consequence for double posting.

Thank you.

You already seem to have learned a great deal in a short time. The main job for a beginner is to get to know your own body and how it reacts. As a newbie monitoring your physical indicators is as important as learning how to do the basic techniques.

There is a point where we can become too concerned about every little negative indicator. That’s ok. It’s part of learning. Once you’ve been going for a while you learn how to tell the difference between something concerning and the normal wear and tear that is easy to recover from.

One thing I want to stress is that you said you clamped for three months without permanent gains. That is totally normal. Real, permanent gains come very very slowly for almost everybody. So the key is to measure progress from training but not to mistake temporary enlargement for permanent gains. Even if one does make a small gain in three months, it will likely reverse back to previous size once training is stopped. It is a lot like bodybuilding in this way. You have to build a lot of muscle as a foundation to still be muscular after you stop training for some longer period of time. If you lose size and still seem more muscular than average it is because you have built a lot of muscle. If you lift weights for three months and build a little muscle, you will look like your old self pretty soon after you stop lifting weights.

So give yourself several months to track progress and make sure your results are heading in the right direction. Then keep going if it seems to be working. If you aren’t making tiny progress week to week and month to month then make some changes and keep tracking until you see regular tiny increases.

These tiny increases build over time, as long as you keep going. (Keeping going includes taking deconditioning breaks.)

In a couple of years you will look back and be certain that most of your gains are permanent even if you lose some after a long break.

Most newbies have the mistaken idea that they can grow quickly and be done quickly. This is a years-long effort. Just like bodybuilding. And like bodybuilding, even when you hit your goal size you have to keep up some level of training to maintain all of it, or be ok with losing a bit of size if you stop altogether.

So enjoying the process is as important as enjoying the results.

Thank you for the swift reply,

When I was clamping, despite having great expansions every time, I haven’t achieved gain. Not even temporarily, expansion was only during clamp. This is what makes me think that maybe I was working too hard on it that it only had sufficient time to recover up to a close-to-healthy amount of status before the next clamp; therefore there wasn’t any gain as it simply doesn’t have the "resources" to reinforce itself (size)

Also, regarding the linear routine,

Everything said and planned is based on one belief

The belief that when you’re working slowly towards the "gain zone", that your penis doesn’t get conditioned way too quickly to ever reach that "gain" zone from you increasing frequency slowly with the linear method. I’m not sure if I’m really making any sense.

Do you know anything regarding this?

Alittle awkward, after all is said and done.

I’ve been increasing my jelq frequencies and to this day, I fail to witness any expansion during/after jelqs (at 5 minutes) apart from slightly plumper flaccid (no changes to erected/semi). I’ve been reading posts on the forum and not much information can be found apart from the possibility of it being gripping method (I use overhand OK grip wet jelq). I measured with a tape ruler however unfortunately there’s not even 1mm expansion.

I’ve been trying out with different erection levels, ranging from 50% to 90% for testing purposes, however to no avail.

I’m done with today’s session, I will try again tomorrow, this time lying down, 1 hand holding down my sack to ensure I don’t pull any excess skin during jelqs, and another hand jelqing from base throughout solely the shaft (wet jelq). The only time I experienced "blood flow" was doing exactly that, however it never occurred again after that one time even with the same method. Leave me thinking if its because of my hypertension or I’m just using the incorrect grip, strength, or insufficient time/frequency. I do experience better erect quality.

Anyone care to chime in to share their food for thoughts?

I’m not sure what your routine is at the moment, but I suspect you are still in the conditioning phase where the work is to prepare you for more intensity and to get to learn your response to the efforts so you can track with some nuanced understanding of your body. It is crucial to do this and can’t be skipped. But it is not typically the kind of work that leads to gains in a direct way. It is a stepping stone towards being able to increase effort that will lead to gains.

Think of it as walking on a treadmill to get used to moving your body before you go out and start the road work that will lead to you finishing your first marathon.

So it isn’t really time to see if you are gaining yet and measuring a bunch isn’t really useful at this time. Just keep going, slowly increasing intensity and you will get there sooner than you know it.

Thanks for writing.

My current routine consists of
5 minute warmup
5 minute manual stretch
5 minute slow wet jelqs (roughly 4 to 5 seconds)
2.5minute kegels + warm down
As of current do not sure experience indication indicating that I might be overworking, can still get a strong erection at my whim even right after routine.

During my wet jelqs, I do not witness any expansion throughout the shaft during and after jelqing. The only thing that suggests blood movement is my glan/head inflating when my grip reaches right below it, and deflate after removing my grip to go back to the base to repeat jelqing movement. Unfortunately no expansion at the shaft.

Possible reasons that I might not be achieving expansions I could think of:
1. Overexaggerating expansions talked by other people. Unlikely because I don’t even experience any expansion at all
2. Drinking insufficient water: May have affected state of blood one way or another?
3. Insufficient force: Unlikely, I don’t grip too soft nor hard, atleast enough for the penis to ‘cave-in’ with grip suggesting that it is pressing enough and should be moving any liquid in it
4. Insufficient time/frequency: There are posts on the forum from members stating that they only start to experience expansion from clamping on their third set of 3 set X 10 minutes clamp. Although I’m jelqing this however could be possible as well.
5. Right after workout: I started my routine right after working out. My blood could have been redirected elsewhere.

I am definitely not expecting gains during this phase, however it just leave me confused when I don’t experience any expansion at all after 5 minutes of slow jelqs.

I guess I’m just alittle confused and puzzled.

I’ve always been under the impression that jelqing is supposed to give the entire penis shaft expansion after jelqing making it somewhat plumper, fatter, fluffy when erected (also when flaccid).
Is it safe to conclude that perhaps 5 minutes of slow jelqs is not sufficient to provide my own penis expansion or is it that I’m doing something wrong? I just wish to ensure that I’m actually preparing it for higher intensity and frequency jelqs that may achieve expansion rather than just blatantly damaging it, especially after the 3 months clamping torture it had. I feel sorry for my unit