IPR P phase clamping and extending

Ok so two questions for my fellow IPR practitioners:

1)What do you guys think of ADS Phallosan Forte for 8 hours (possibly sleep too) and clamping for 10min morning and 10min night (2x clamping) for a 3 week P macro P phase? Before going into R macro phase.

2) Approx. 12 sets of 20min ADS at 1-2lb followed by 10min clamping (credits go to Big Girtha for this info, but rather hanging, not ADS) for Micro P phases in a 3 day micro cycle?

My Micro I sessions are as follows:
2 sets 20min hanging (while on a thermedic infrared heat pad) followed by 10min clamping exercises.
Bathtub warmup
Clamping and jelquing to make tunica malleable (while watching girl content)
TT or TTr use, A LA tunica disruption and distraction tactics (credits go to Xeno for this), at least once to create ruptures.
Cock ring and jelqing to further those ruptures
Clamping and jelqing and bends and such
More TT and TTr (sometimes skip this if its too intense)
Rolling pin jelqs using hairspray bottle (this bit really flattens my cock and makes it balloon)
Then do some more of the above as I see fit
Finish with pumping PE for FUN a la Xeno, high vacuum 10secs 30 secs low vacuum for about 3 sets

Thoughts on my Micro I are very welcome. Let me know what I can add or substract to make things more effective.

My thoughts for #1 above, is that a cock ring just swells my skin, so by clamping I am sort of keeping my cocks CCs and CS “extended all day” girth wise. Doing minimal exercises so as to not disrupt the healing process. Does #1 and #2 sound effective or a waste of time?

Thanks for your comments and thoughts.

That micro I day is pure PE gold medal marathon work there. When did you start PE again, or did you dive straight in the deep end? Not that I think that’s bad if you can swim responsibly. One thing though, watch out for discoloration. It can sneak up on you.

For the rolling pin does your roll compression force push into the dorsal / ventral axis, or the lateral axis, or both? I remember the rolling pin or similar having a high incidence among big gainers for how few people use it.

A couple thoughts on your I phase clamping.

Do you incorporate multiclamping or xeno’s CCCC (Cable Clamp Cock Coffin)?
Do you use a clamping wrap?

Both of these things can significantly increase the blood pressure of the clamped off erection, which then lends itself to even greater possible pressures when the various squeezes added (i.e. TT and TTR, personally I like to use my hands for this).

For the wrap, nothing beats multiple layers of swaffel’s sewn neoprene sleeves idea. I’ve found something as simple as sewing up two or three 0.75” to 1.00” tall identical cylindrical neoprene rings that you layer around the base where you will place the clamp works wonderfully. The circumference I prefer is 75% of my base girth for this height cylindrical ring.

To your P phase questions. Why not just use the cock coil, xeno’s ADS of choice? It is great.

1. PE while sleeping is a bad idea. You only get one dick, and while the odds of complications might be low, the consequences can be catastrophic. They say PE is a marathon and not a sprint. Provided you PE while you’re awake already, the small marginal benefit of PE’ing while you sleep just isn’t worth the risks. Not for me, not even close to worth it.

Next, clamping is an I-phase event, no way around it. At the lowest levels of clamp effect, you can use it like an ADC, basically adjustable cock rings. There’s many methods, I’m learning to use neoprene. But 2x10 minute sets of normal clamping is going to start the I-phase process over whenever you do it. Of course all the phases overlap. Proliferation is happening during I-phase. And I-phase events can happen during P-phase events. However, macro-P phase doesn’t contain any trauma or I-phase events, so to speak. To the tissues that is just an extended macro I-phase.

That said, there’s nothing against extending I-phase if you want to. However, given the rather amazing results posted in your signature from your first IPR cycle, I wouldn’t recommend making any changes to the phases at all at this time.

The phallosan 8 hours a day part of the idea is a reasonable P-phase if it’s light enough force.

I’ll say this about P-phase - the cumulative effect of wearing an ADS for 2 weeks felt like one slow dull workout by the end of that period to me. That’s all it should be.

2. I’m assuming this micro-P refers to a 3 day cycle where you do your micro-I workout day 1, then this micro-P workout day 2, then complete rest day 3? If I’ve got that right, I’d insert the same comment that the clamping is an I-exercise. However, since the phases are all overlapping in these micro cycles, it doesn’t matter nearly as much, if at all, compared to macro P. It’s entirely a question of optimization and what works best and feels best to you. Try it both ways, with the extender only on micro-P day, and with both extender and clamping. Go with what you like. Also, cock coil.

I’m not remembering what you’ve done for P phase in the past, so I’d recommend generally erring on the side of resting more and slowly ramping up any P-phase work you do.

And finally remember R-phase is the key to xeno’s methods. You can do a lot of work in P-phase if you want to, just do it in the form of low force, high duration. A long R-phase is what allows for intense I-phases and high work volume P-phases.

Clarification.
That said, there’s nothing against prolonging I-phase if you want to. If you like a longer I-phase that transitions for 3 weeks of extending plus clamping, and then turns into a couple more weeks of just extending (the two weeks of macro-P) works for you, go for it.

Thanks BD I hope this regime lives up to the gold. This is my 3rd go around after two long hiatus breaks of 2-3 years. I’ve heard about discoloration but it doesn’t really concern me as long as it gets bigger. It gets quite purple and dark sometimes in the clamp but it goes away. Worst comes to happen I can always say I am half black, from the waist down right?

Yeah I find it to be quite disruptive specially if done towards the end of the session once the tissues have been tenderized. I picked it up from reading about redzulu and how he achieved 7+ girth. I was impressed. He has a guide somewhere I’ve been trying to find to learn from his experience. Where have you heard of this having a high incidence among big gainers? I searched various boards with inconclusive results. “Mike” from one board I recall said trying it without luck. Not sure what his regime was, but my thought is that once the tunica has been disrupted by the TT and other methods this can push the limits nicely.

Oh and ventral I suppose, from the top as if I am rolling dough. Haven’t had a problem with popping my veins or damaging my nerves as some people fear.

Yes, sometimes two clamps and CCCC. For the two clamps one at base and one below the head. The CCCC I love it but I seem to lose erection and then it becomes pointless. I am successful at it maybe 30% of the time. The other the pressure is not enough.

I don’t use a wrap often, but I had used it a couple of times before you mentioned it and found it to be useful in that regard. I think I will start doing this. Maybe the CCCC will get better. Specially for head growth, once my head got 1” more than usual and clamped, it was a shocker.

I ought to try this. Thanks for the tip. Any idea where to get some? Is there any that you don’t have to sow?

I tried it for a while but since I am uncut it pulls on my skin and there is no real tug of the inner penis going on. So now I am using the capn’s wrench as an ADS until the phallosan forte (PF) comes which I ordered some days ago. This will just pull from my head.

I believe being uncut was the reason for my limited hanging gains in my second go around as I was hanging over the skin, so we will see. A guy I recall said he used the PF with the thermedic heat pad for many hours and achieved decent gains in short amount of time, like 1”+. So I am thinking hanging will exacerbate the lig strech, release the moorings and the PF will get the ship sailing.

Yes but imagine the gains you could make, specially since your tissues are said to be repaired while you sleep. I would not do anything else than use the PF. The company even endorses that it can be used while sleeping, something no company would do if they weren’t 100% sure. Many PF users have reported using it during the night. Worst that happens is it just comes off, loses suction, and that is it.

Alright so that is interesting. What makes clamping an I-phase event is the level of intensity. However, sex and masturbation are also intense. Let’s say at the lowest levels of clamping, lets call it level 1 (just clamp and kegel blood) this is almost the same as sex or less. At level 2 (clamp and slight bends) this is more like sex. At level 3 (clamps and exercise bends, etc) that I would say is more I-phase level stuff. So by your logic, sex and masturbation would be out of the picture if my logic is correct during Macro P phase. This was sort of my thought process for clamping while on P macro phase. As long as it’s kept to Level 1. What do you think or is my logic flawed?

I’ve thought about keeping my IPR cycles as Xeno standard as possible, but I thought it would be logical to do clamping while on P macro, and see if it works and rule it out if it doesn’t, than follow IPR to the letter and never find out if it worked or not. Same is the reason why I cut my R phase to 3 weeks last time. If it doesn’t work, I’ll extend it, but the same can’t be learned if it’s done the other way around.

I didn’t gain all that from 1 cycle of IPR if that’s what my signature conveys, which probably does.. I have to change it. What I gained in last IPR cycle I put on Xenos thread.

But yeah that is solid advice, why change something that is working? I guess my first IPR cycle the I-phase work I did a lot of TT and TTr, but I wasn’t achieving the same thing on 2nd IPR I-phase cycle, so I am thinking “distraction tactics” what Xeno was mentioning, catching your cock off guard, as silly as that sounds. I forgot that I did some jelqing and bends and stuff on my first cycle I-phase, that I wasn’t doing during the first sessions of cycle 2 I-phase, and wasn’t seeing the same results, so maybe the jelqs clamped and bends with the TT and TTr are not mutually exclusive means of achieving deformation. It could also be that I cut my R phase too short, not healing enough, but we will see once I am in R phase again and if there are new gains.

That is correct. I tried the former and now I am trying the latter. Liking/feeling the latter works best for both girth and length.

Basically nothing because the CC didn’t work for me. Although I did do the BB and SS Xeno mentioned, which helped to solidify that length gain I made. The PF will work for me I am almost sure, and will probably do the 2x level 1 clamping, at least for this cycle to rule it out or hopefully its gold.

What would you say is an optimal R phase based on your experience? I think the 3 weeks I took off was enough, plus 2 weeks P phase, so that is almost a month “off”.

Ah, two years for T2 was my other interpretation, which actually makes more sense than how many IPR iterations you’ve done.

On discoloration I had the same mindset, for as long as there was little to none. Then I wandered into some clamping experiments that gave me some real noticeable discoloration, with an obvious clamp line going across the top of the scrotum, and it did end up bothering me a bit. Luckily I found a solution here on Thunders (chemical peel) but I’m still going to be more careful about it in the future. The two biggest things I’m going to avoid to prevent it are long zero circulation clamping sets, and long I-phases.

For the rolling pin, when I was researching big gainers from the size database here on Thunders, it just seemed to me like the rolling pin or similar squash exercise (I think one used a frying pan, and another used his hand) showed up more often than I’ve otherwise seen it used. No real evidence to back that up.

I think as you find better ways of wrapping, that the CCCC and multiclamping will hold a tighter seal, and there will be no loss of hardness or leakage of the trapped blood that you clamp off. It can make for some very strong internal pressures when you add the squeezes. This is when discoloration can happen as well. The tighter the seal, the less circulation, the shorter the sets should be.

I don’t know of anywhere that sells premade neoprene rings. However after a few sewing experiments it becomes very quick and easy (you’re only sewing a 1” line of fabric together and it doesn’t have to look pretty, just has to hold as you stretch it over your unit). Although I have very limited experience with it, silicone sleeves can accomplish similar results. And I’m sure there are other solutions. You will know when you get a wrap that’s working, the seal will be much better than with a clamp alone.

For the cock coil, it’s not necessarily supposed to pull or tug - it can just hold the unit in an extended state. Like I said that can add up to a dull worked out feeling after a couple weeks of it. You can rig it to hold more pressure and length if you want, at the expense of some comfort.

As to the definition of an I-phase event - the easiest way to think about it is the difference between the elastic zone and plastic zone in stress-strain curve. Some would argue it happens at the ultimate tensile strength or fracture stress. Sex and masturbation aren’t I-phase or we would all have growing dicks through our whole life. One way of thinking of it could be I-phase is going intentionally past the ultimate tensile strength or fracture stress (not sure which, it’s debatable). P-phase is going to either the limit of elastic zone or staying in the plastic zone but below the ultimate tensile strength (not sure which is right). And R-phase is never leaving the elastic zone.

Many of my R-phases have been 1 month, but I think optimal for me is 2 months, and I have simply been impatient most of the time. After 2-3 weeks of R-phase, it feels fully rested, the inflammation has completely subsided, but rest assured remodeling is still happening in the target tissues.

Actually T2 stands for Time 2, which is actually several years forward. And this is my 2nd IPR iteration.

Sounds pretty bad. Has it gone away or do you still have visible evidence of it?
I keep my clamping sets to 10min, no more.

I read about the hand one, MK2 I believe it was, who swore by it and gained over half an inch over a year from 6” to 6.5”. I guess the rolling pin has a similar effect. Gotta find that redzulu guide..

I found some neoprene and made one, tried it out today, its quite comfortable, although I felt at first it wasn’t that effective and not letting more blood in, keeping blood from going out, but I tightened the clamp a lot and it seemed to work nicely. Perhaps gluing this to a clamp would be a good idea?

So in that framework, sex and masturbation would be in the elastic zone (wouldn’t it be wonderful, although I read as you age your unit becomes naturally larger in adulthood overtime). Level 1 clamping as I described would fall IMO in the plastic zone but below the ultimate tensile strength, which would place it in P-phase acceptable ADC territory. IMO P-phase should be in the plastic zone but below ultimate tensile strength as keeping it in the elastic zone may not produce optimal gains, or in the wound healing context result more in regeneration, which would mean reversion or tissue substitution, and not repair, growth and adding more tissue. A CC seems like for me at least goes to only the limit of the elastic zone, this is why I purchased an PF, so I could push it a little more. And the 2x clamping during Macro P phase at level 1 intensity may be the best way I can think of right now to keep tissues stretched girth wise as the expansion results from the inside via blood. And R phase I agree should be elastic for complete restoration hopefully at larger tissue sizes, to then go on to another cycle.

If you recall my thumb cut experiment, if you read those posts, my thumb laceration of approx 1cm x 1mm healed in a month from start to finish. I-phase is no where near that wound size, so eh. I think more research needs to be done on remodeling. All of the literature says it takes 3 weeks to 2 years, but that is such a general statement for all wounds.

Have you gained more in cycles where your R phase was 2 months vs. 1 month? I recall someone saying that Xeno plotted gains to come up with the IPR framework he outlined, but I am not entirely sure that’s what he intended purely, and I’ve been wanting to ask him this.

Lucky for me, the chemical peel did completely solve the discoloration. Before that it was looking like it would be semi-permanent.

Gluing some neoprene to the inner walls of the clamps is good. Multiple layers for the wrap is also part of what gives the very tight and comfortable seal of neoprene.

One of the big gainers, boxcar23 I think, who was a physician theorized that as we get towards old age, the declining elasticity of our cells makes PE gains easier.

The whole IPR time scale definitely depends on many factors. Magnitude of the wound, location on the body, circulation levels, age, nutrition. The absence of open skin wounds in PE makes certain parts of the healing process much, much faster than with an open wound. Other parts of the process go at the same speed regardless. So on one end of the spectrum, you could have a wound that takes 10 years to heal, or never completely heals, like a deep cut to the foot in an elderly diabetic who smokes and doesn’t move around much. On the other hand a healthy teenage athlete with a superficial cut on the trunk could completely heal in weeks.

Also, remodeling or maturation of the wound is a subtle difference. Imagine the difference between how a scar looks 1 year after an injury and how it looks after 3 years. It might not seem like much but that is remodeling, The new tissue is better integrated into greater healthy structure. It happens very slowly, but something is happening the whole time.

I think xeno got it more or less right. Somewhere in the range of 1 - 6 months seems correct for PE induced target tissue trauma. I can feel inflammation for up to 2 weeks after an I-phase so the rest of the timeline seems to fit with a ~3 month full cycle. I think the penis has fairly high circulation as far as body location goes. It’s an extremity but it gets lots of blood flow. Regular edging might speed up the recovery rate.

A rarely discussed topic is that of the “chronic wound” or a wound that is repeatedly re-injured before the full IPR cycle can complete. Chronic I-phase. This can have some pretty serious consequences in wound healing theory, basically the wound may never heal correctly, or it may take several years to heal a wound which would have healed in months - which is a good argument for erring on the side of longer R-phases.

While I haven’t tracked my R-phase times against gains (more of a get ‘r done shotgun approach for me) I do think I’ve gained more on 2 month breaks compared to 1 month breaks.

Glad you put that in about gaining more on two month breaks than one month breaks—because I’m right at the one month mark and, happy with the gains I’ve seen, I was ready to jump back in. I’m going to wait lol.

Do you think when your cock become more pliable after some I work, that there is loss of elasticity, and that is what allows growth then?

Is the 2 week inflammation dissipation of lymph fluid and puffiness or disappearance of the pliability? For me, the former disappears in the first 3 days, and that is what I believe to be inflammation. The latter lasts a couple or more weeks.

Sounds like severe conditioning which is what a lot of PE’rs who start PE end up doing.

Hmm if only there was a study done with a control group to see if there is significant difference in 1 vs 2 months. If this depends on how healthy a person is as you mentioned, how healthy would you rate yourself on a scale of 1-10 in terms of healing ability if you don’t mind me asking, all things you mentioned considered?

The pliability you’re talking about sounds like the changes to elastin during active PE. I think this is responsible for newbie gains, and the give and take each time a PE cycle starts or stops.

Try out various R-phase durations and see what works best for you. There’s no right or wrong answer. They might yield the same overall gains rate.

Hopefully.

BTW the PF instead of the CC is probably the best investment I’ve made. Just got to try it today. It renders a CC to being a weight now. Of course it’s $350 or so but it’s just simply better.

I tie the white belt of the PF above my waist with the circle of foam at my back and pass the connector through it, then I can connect it to the PF bell with my cock going BTC, literally, with about 5-7lbs of force, or in the red mark. I can’t sit down but it’s comfortable to walk and move around, even sleep on the sides. At my desk I kneel and wear the thermedic pad like a woman’s period pad secured by my underwear and turn up the heat, targeting the pubic exit point primarily. It’s a good burn at the base at the exit point, fatigue what some would call it.

My BPFSL while on the bell was 7.5” which pre PF it was 7.25” in the bib hardcore hanger while pulling SO just with hands. The 0.25” could be part gains and I am sure part head engorgement the result of the micro vacuum from the bell. Hopefully more of the former.

Ill see what my gains are this cycle with it before I say it is the best investment.

After 2hrs of wearing it it’s actually 7.7” BPFSL. Due to the head swelling in the bell. But it looks like a very good indicator something positive is happening. From 7.25” to 7.7”? There’s gotta be some gains there.

So today is my day 1 of Macro P phase, and I am clamping and extending, as I’ve discussed.

So far so good. Can’t say much except my dick is sore as hell from yesterday last I phase sesh.

I believe some gains are in the making.

I will keep this updated to see if this method works.

I plan to clamp 2x a day, beg and end, and extend ASAP during the day with the PF BTC and SU with about 3-4 lbs I measured for 3 weeks, except for Saturdays and Sundays I can’t extend, but still clamp while in the shower.

Clamping is at level 1 as discussed. I will abstain from anything I phase eventish as discussed.

For some reason, since I am new, I was only able to open this one thread, and can’t open another, so I will keep a semi progress log here as well.

Lastly, check this guy out he has a monster head. He used a pump cylinder inside a pump, causing his shaft to extend and head to girth up. This is how I believe I will achieve my 6.5” head.

Alright, so I tried doing the pump inside the pump. My pump is 2.2” diameter, times pi, that is round 7” circumference. The inner cylinder was 2”, so round 6.28” circumference. I was barely able to fit in the 2” cylinder, had to use soap to slide in. My penis is not that size, but with all the inflammation and deformation I’ve been causing, its gotten girthy. So, I placed the smaller cylinder first, then the rubber sleeve from the pump, then the actual pump cylinder. I should have mentioned the inner cylinder was long enough to cover my shaft but not head. Ok, so I started pumping but then the inner cylinder starts sliding up covering my head. How do I prevent this? The inner cylinder must be affixed to the outer cylinder somehow..

If I can get this new head pump right I might incorporate it into my macro P phase, as I believe it is not disruptive enough to merit the I phase tier.

Oh and apparently something I just learned about pumping that I didn’t know is that a wider than penis shaft pump will make your dick thicker, but a smaller penis-width-shaft-like pump will make it extend for length gains. I’ve been using a 7” on a 5.5” dick. So I am thinking of getting a 6.28” cylinder for length that is compatible with my pump jack. All this time I’ve been thinking larger is better, without knowing what is what. It’s probably why I never enjoyed pumping that much. I think a length cylinder will change this.

Any ideas welcome.

Just ordered the PF XL bell because my glans has been expanding toward 13.5cm and the L bell supports 13.8cm, so I need the XL to continue to grow to 14.8cm? I guess, which is almost 6”. This is awesome. Once I get there, I’ll have to get a larger head pump. I also got a 2” cylinder for length expansion. Keeping it all 2-3hg for as long as I can without blisters developing. Long duration low vacuum pumping I think is one of the secrets of PE. This increase in head size, which I’ve never been ever close to in my life before, led me to research pumping more carefully, which led me to Titleist who gained 2” length and 1” or more pumping, learned from his experience and a lot of others, and it all points toward long duration low vacuum pumping.. Man PE and learning is awesome. Hope to gain from this.

Thanks for this BD - just noted on my thread about how a double silicone sleeve wrap made all the difference. Had been struggling with keeping things hard enough for this whole I-phase, but I think this simple thing will have cracked it. Will look at getting some neoprene as well.