RedCommander’s Hanging with FIRe

Very interested in this method.

When adding weight, is it okay to remove the weight arbor to add plates? This will temporarily put the load to 0 while adjusting the plates. Not sure if it affects anything or not as that makes the tension no longer technically constant.

Additional question on top of my last post:

I have read all of the documentation extensively over quite a few hours and have put together this routine for my first cycle.

Flaccid girth is approximately 95mm so I received the following (rounded to support my 0.25lb increment weights. The original unrounded weight is in parentheses):

0.1 MPa = 3.25 lbs (3.3)
0.17 MPa = 5.75 lbs (5.7)

I have acquired a Thermedic heating pad and will try the following for my first cycle, once per day, M-F with weekends as rest days:

*10 minutes cold
*45 minutes with heat
*10 minutes cooldown (weight increased by 20% - 7lbs)

Here is a detailed breakdown of the cycle:

0 Minutes 2.5 Start at 2.5lbs
5 Minutes 3 Add 0.5 lbs every 5 minutes until 5.75 reached (35 minute mark)
10 Minutes 3.5 Turn on heating pad
15 Minutes 4
20 Minutes 4.5
25 Minutes 5
30 Minutes 5.5
35 Minutes 5.75 Hold this weight for 20 minutes
55 Minutes 7 Increase to 7 lbs and hold for 10 minutes. Lower temp of heating pad in stages to avoid too rapid cooling.

I have been vac hanging for 2 months and just reached 5 lbs so I don’t think I will have any conditioning issues. I was planning on running this for 6 weeks and evaluating from there.

Any comments or insights from those knowledgeable about this are appreciated. Thank you.

With my previous setup I had to do this and I gained fine. I think it is more optimal to constantly add the weight and not remove to add. I am going to this when I get back to hanging. I am also going to add weight in smaller increments, 100 grams at a time or thereabouts

What have you been doing while vac hanging for two months? Did you have heat? Did you gain anything? Have you had any type of break?

I’m about to go on vacation, so I’ll have a week off. Figured that could make a nice decon period since I really don’t think my tissues have toughened enough to matter for the first cycle. Worked my way up very slowly from 2.5 to 5 lbs. I never used heat as I was starting to suspect it was just a gimmick since so many have gained without it.

I’ve added about .25” to my BPFSL. Maybe a little more.

My routine was 2x daily for 1 hour, 5 days a week.

I can tell at this weight that gains are starting to accelerate, so it will be an interesting test to see if this method is more effective.

I would start lighter at least for a week and see what happens. You effectively have a jump of 2 lbs on a new routine after a week off. Starting lighter doesn’t have any negatives and allows you to get used to the process. Maybe try max weight at 4lb to see what happens once you have heat. Monitor pre and post bpfsl to calculate strain and see how effective things are in the first week.

Had first FIRE session today and would say it went pretty well. Had about 2.4% strain and used routine below.

0 Minutes 2.5 Start at 2.5lbs
5 Minutes 3 Add 0.5 lbs every 5 minutes until 5.75 reached (35 minute mark)
10 Minutes 3.5 Apply heating pad
15 Minutes 4
20 Minutes 4.5
25 Minutes 5
30 Minutes 5.5
35 Minutes 5.75 Hold this weight for 20 minutes
55 Minutes 7 Increase to 7 lbs and hold for 10 minutes. Remove heating pad.

Got a few red dots on glans from what I’m guessing was the 7lbs in the final 10 minutes. Think I need to tape a little better next time.

I also used the heating pad from Total Man on high and was able to use it with minimal discomfort although it did get a little hot at points.

This session certainly felt different than prior hanging experience. There was this strange fatigue-like sensation in my shaft that persisted for a couple hours and it felt like the tissue was actually being reformed somehow. It’s hard to describe but anybody that’s done hanging this way can probably relate.

Very curious how this principle can be applied to girth gains. My main goal is to use this go to from 6 NBP to 8 NBP and then get my girth from 4.8 to the 5.5 to 6 range.

If this proves successful, I think I may experience with pre-heating the tissue and then clamping for a bit under heat, then letting it cool. I’d prefer pumping but not sure how I could apply the heat properly through the tube. Just stuff to think about.

I find my total man heat pad on high works just fine for heating through the cylinder when pumping.

Try it and see how you go

Wouldn’t it be less effective due to the air gap?

It is, but it still works OK

I normally have to turn it down after 10 minutes because it gets too hot.

I guess it will depend on the size of the cylinder and your girth. I end up packing at least part of the cylinder

Day 2:

Made the following adjustments to the routine with the overall goal of seeing if this complicated hanging with FIRe method can be simplified without compromising results.

1. Held weight at 4lbs throughout -> Penis feeling heavy fatigue from yesterday. Final 7lb jump was too much and had negative PIs. Guess I should have known better, but I figured since it was only 10 minutes it wouldn’t cause an issue. I also want to see if I can avoid needing to use incremental weight.. At least for now. I’m curious if it’s necessary perhaps from a min-max perspective but will not affect gains to a noticeable degree.

2. Starting off warm entirely and skipping the 10 minute cold start. I am applying the heating pad right away to maximize time spent at therapeutic temperatures.

3. Numbers were identical to yesterday. Normally I hang for 2 hours per day and will be trying this method at only 1 hour to see if I can better maximize my time. If I am making gains and they stall, then I will add the second hour back in to see if it makes a difference.

Measurements and strain identical to yesterday

Pre: 7.8125 (7 13/16)
Post: 8.0
Strain: 2.4%

Day 3:

Since holding the same weight the entire time elicited identical strain, I will once again be trying another approach to see if I can increase the strain to maximize my ROI.

My Pre-BPFSL is now yesterday’s post-BPFSL which I take as a positive sign. My goal through this, aside from my own length gains, is to tweak the work already done by my diligent predecessors to find the simplest methodology that can be followed and still yield effective results. If the technique is too complicated, most people won’t be able to follow it, and the hundreds of forum pages of documentation are a steep learning curve.

I spent many hours yesterday reading through Kyrpa, Tutt, and 5.5Squared’s posts and have gleaned a little more understanding of the theory behind “Hanging with FIRE” (I’m now calling it Hanging with Far Infrared Radiation for Elongation because the acronym is better in all caps ;) . I had a bit of a lightbulb moment when they talked about adding strain over time and using things like a bucket of sand or water to gradually increase the strain to avoid triggering the tissues protective contracting response. I believe that my method from the first session of disconnecting the weight to add plates and then reconnecting was not optimal for this purpose, so I now hang with a small basket that I can add plates to without removing the weight completely.

Now that I don’t have to worry about this issue with the disconnected weights, I will try the incremental warmup again and have designed my next session as follows:

00 Minutes - 2.5 lbs
05 Minutes - 3 lbs
10 Minutes - 3.5 lbs
15 Minutes - 4 lbs (add heating pad) - hold this weight for 45 minutes
60 Minutes - 4.75 lbs (lower heating pad to lowest setting)
65 Minutes - Remove heating pad
70 Minutes - Remove weights. Session Complete

Session breakdown by phase:
Warmup - 15 minutes
Working weight under heat - 45 minutes
Cooldown - 10 minutes

The idea behind the above is to gradually increase weights to somewhat below my 0.17 MPa* and then add heat 15 minutes in after the tissue is allowed to gradually stretch a bit. I then add my final amount of working weight and turn on the heating pad. This is held for 45 minutes to maximize therapeutic time under heat. 25% is then added for the final 10 minute cooldown with the temperature lowered in stages instead of suddenly.

Session Results:
Pre: 8.0
Post: 8.1875 (8 3/16 just barely.. Have to really stretch to reach it)
Strain: 2.3%

Conclusions:
Strain % is technically lower than last time but I’m showing the highest BPFSL measurements I’ve ever had and an increase of almost 1/5”. Think this went well since I had an immediate improvement in 2 consecutive sessions. I will continue with this approach.

Towards the end of my session I realized that wrapping the heating pad with another layer of material to keep the heat in seemed to make a big difference. Will try this next time for the entire duration.

Other notes:
I plan to cycle 6 weeks on (5 on 2 off) then 1 month off until I reach +1.5” in length. I may alter this plan if it looks like progress has completely stalled and a longer decon is needed. Once I hit 7.5 NBPEL I will take a long decon (maybe up to a year but at least 6 months) to work on girth and practice Angion Method. I know it’s not popular over here, but it is absolutely a boon to EQ and overall penis health. On his subreddit, Janus’ latest video showing off his arteries demonstrates a clear increase in girth from the beginning. His CS is enormous and the CC has also visibly increased in size. I think AM will be a perfect intermediate stage to pursue girth or at worst EQ while my tissues decondition. From there, I will pursue my final goal of 8-9” NBP. My final goal size is between 8-9 NBP and 5.5 to 6 girth.. Depends on my much my girlfriend can take. I think I may have to stop around 5.75, but we’ll have to see when I get there. The order of this could easily change. I might decide that 7 NBP is enough for the time being and go straight to girth. We’ll see.

*The 5.7 calculated number is simply too high for me at the moment. 4 lbs feels like a good working weight for now and I will only increase as needed since the approach is all about minimizing weight needed.

Clarification on my last:

25% increase was reduced to 18.75% as I decided to go for 4.75 instead of 5 lbs as my final weight.

If there’s any choppiness to the language of the post, it’s usually weird stuff lingering from edits I make before posting. Sometimes things slip through.

Cycle 1 - Day 4

Session Results:
Pre: 8.125 (8 1/8)
Post: 8.1875 (8 3/16) (somewhere between 8.1875 and 8.25)
Strain: 0.7%

Comments:

Last time I could barely reach post stretch BPFSL 8.1875 only when pulling very hard - it is much easier this time. Now I can almost reach 8.25 but not quite close enough to count. Very small gain but showing some diminishing results quickly, which was expected. I did not think having daily stretch gains of 1/8” could be sustainable for more than a short while. Taking weekend off and then resuming M-F. We’ll see if some growth happens over the weekend so I can continue to increase Pre-BPFSL.

I am going to do 1 more experiment starting next week. Reading through many of Tutt’s posts, he believes that efficacy will not be negatively affected if frequency is reduced to as low as 2x per week. To test this idea, I will now try a 3x weekly FIRE hanging schedule on MWF. If I don’t see any change at all next week, then I will return to 5-on-2-off. This would be a fantastic time-saver if frequency could be reduced to just 3x weekly.