Time, it takes Time.

SO I have a question, is the “lig pop” still a thing? I remember starting way back when, and guys were trying to achieve the “lig pop” under the idea that it was a loosening of the tissue. This is my own space for my notes, but if anyone happens by… I should search for it.

Yesterday’s routine:

5 minutes alternating heat and stretch

10 minutes heated pump

2 minutes stretching

5 minutes rest (test EQ from flaccid to hard)

2 minutes heat and massage

2 minutes stretch

10 minutes heated pump

warm down

I admit, that I am not feeling the motivation.

So, I keep a set of notes on my notepad on the computer. I cut and paste so I can edit and I pasted an entry from a few months ago as apparently my notes are all messed up. I have been back at PE for bout 3 months. Disregard the previous post about the infection, as it is older than the posted date.

After looking through my notes, I realized that I am not taking any breaks. I mean, I may take one day off every six or seven days. I start getting resentful of the whole thing. I should not be. I started PE way back in the day and I have actually gained from it. While I was pumping, I noticed that I wasn’t filling it like I used to. About two years ago I had to increase tube sizes because I was hitting the end of the tube (8” tube, but about 9” of length). I was not 9 inch long except when in the tube, when out, fresh after, I would hit 8 x 6. If I went a week or so with no PE I stayed a consistent 7.5 x 5.65 NBP.

Now, here I am, and while I am over 7 NBP and 5.5 or more normal (no PE), I expected quicker gains (?). I am not seeing any increases immediately after PE. I have found myself going beyond the safe pressure of the pump (15 mmg +) and worse of all, I find myself thinking less of my size and it messes with my head.

I also realized that I LOSE length when I lie down. A lot of length. I have read up on leaky blood vessels and wonder. I am convinced that I just jumped back into this fool-heartedly. I recorded the wife and and I look (in my head) smaller. This has driven me to go overboard. I know my size is good, in my head. I have pics and it looks big. But only if I see it next to something comparable. The mind can be a serious issue some days. I am posting this instead of going back and doing another round. Is there a way to move this entire thing from the public to the private forum section? Should I? Meh.

6am

5 Min Heat

5 min Pump to 5

2 min heat rest

10 min heat Pump to 10

2 min heat rest

10 min heat pump

5 minute jelq cool down

5 minutes of heat
3 minutes of stretch
2 minutes of heat
10 min pump
10 minutes relax, heat, massage
10 min pump
10 minutes relax, heat, massage
20 minutes edging
5 minutes heat, massage
10 minutes alternate pressure pump
5 minutes warm down

Measured 8.5 EBP x 6.1 after the session
evening before bed ( 15 hours post session) 8 x 5.8 EPB 7.3 ENBP

The previous entry was for the day before.
Today
EQ quality is okay. Maintaining is difficult after about 15 minutes. No damage, just a good workout the previous day.

10 minutes warm massage
10 minutes jelq
5 minutes stretch
Rest

5 min warm up

2 min stretch

10 min heated pump

5 min rest

2 min stretch

10 min heated pump

20 min heated rest

5 min heated pump @ 10

release, increase to 12 x 5 min

release, increase to 15 x 5 min

warm down and massage

I typically have a much shorter flaccid immediately after pumping. But with the vacuum extender it’s noticeably longer for half a day or so. Erect doesn’t change fast enough to notice.

Skimming up through your thread, it looks like you have a reasonable approach to it. It’s disappointing that you’re not getting results as fast as the first time, but many others have reported similar progress.

You might want to look into one of the many variants of the “clone-a-willy” setup. It will make a copy of your erect penis, which you can then use for a direct before/after comparison instead of relying on measurements.

If you want to make more copies, like every three or six months to track progress, you can buy the dental alginate to make more for cheap on eBay.

AndyJ, I appreciate the input! My wife, years ago, bought one of those kits and it never arrived. She wanted a copy of me for when I was deployed…would be interesting to compare that way. I have been down after catching covid. It was pretty much like having the flu for a week, but this morning I woke up raging hard and horny as hell….with a cough. My outlook for growth is shifting towards penile health. Trying to get any stretch at all is akin to grabbing a stainless threaded cable by hand and expecting it to give you an extra inch. I use lots of heat and time these days and it is pretty obvious that I need to add more rest. But I think maintaining EQ and propper blood flow in and out of the area is just healthy for long-term use!

Heat 5 min
Stretch 2 min
Heated stretch 2 min
Jelq 10 min
Rest 10 min
wet heat pump 10 min
jelq 5 min
edge 10 min rest

repeat evening

> wet heat pump 10 min

If time is not a concern, you might want to lengthen your pump sessions a bit at a time until you start getting a donut, then back off a bit.

As you get conditioned to the vacuum you may be able to lengthen the sessions more every now and then.

Andyj,

I appreciate the input and will expand the time next session! So go just until the donut effect? And should I increase pressure or just time?

Once you start seeing a donut, it means there space between the skin and the core of your shaft has filled with lymphatic fluid pulled in from your abdomen. That means you’re no longer pulling on the core, just the skin, so you’re not accomplishing anything as far as girth or shaping. Other than stretching skin a donut doesn’t hurt anything, but it’s an indication you’re not accomplishing anything useful by staying in the tube.

Generally, vacuum is limited by petechiae or discomfort. The commonly-accepted level of vacuum seems to be 5” Hg now. You might run a little more or a little less depending on how it feels. So the easiest thing to change is time, and the limit on that is edema, or the donut.

I favor time over vacuum. Others have had good luck the other way around. See what works for you.

Heat

Stretch

Jelq

Pump extended time 15 min

Rest/massage

Stretch

Pump 20 min

Heat

I have taken a month off. The routines I had followed stayed consistent with slight variations on intensity and time. After one month off:
NBPEL: 7.1” BPEL: 8.2”
EG Base: 6.2” Center: 5.6” Head” 5.6”

NBPEL: I do this with the tape just glancing the fat pad as I have a “swoop” so to speak. If I were to push just slightly into the pad, I would easily hit the 7.5, and if I applied more pressure for BP, the 8.2.

These measurements were made after first piss but early in the morning. This seems to be when I am at my best to arousal. End of day measurements are similar, but NBPEL is a bit less due to water gain or just general bloating at 6.8” while girth remained the same.

During the peak of the exercise season I was able to achieve a consistent NBPEL at 7.5” and BPEL at 8.7” with a girth of just under 6” mid shaft. This I attribute to increased flexibility and plasticity of the tissue.

Of note, dehydration decreases all measurements. After getting a mild case of Covid, I found that a week of liquid shits and sweating reduced the length by an inch and girth by half an inch. This was also due to the inability to maintain a solid erection. I will go one more month but add in a once a week routine.