Collagen Considered

Plasterboard. Now I’ve heard everything.

Well, there is that. But to be fair - you read just about everything…and you’re my friend and feel sorry for me.

Did you think my vibration experiment was a stupid idea? Be honest.
I only ask because I am trying to think up some way to try it again with a machine I build for that specific purpose. I was to do more research on the specific frequencies that are most likely to spur results.

Thanks, Thunder.
As we say in Texas, “aye-pre-she-ate-ya”.

:)

Like a shot in the arm, Mravg.

It was an original idea goon, I had no idea if it would work or not. Therefore I kept checking your posts.

Shhh….I don’t read just about everything. I no longer have time to do that. I just like it to appear as if I do. Keeps the troublemakers on their toes.

I think the vibration idea has potential.

I liked the vibration idea, what about vibration and heat?

Rason, I have no intention of replying to your PM. In addition, I insist that it be your last. You clearly do not know me very well, “bruv”. ;)

Ok, so I’ll let you all know what I dream up for my next vibration experiment. As it pertains to collagen, I would be administering vibration to enhance the tissue fatigue or the inflammation of the tissue.

Back to trans-dermal ointments:

Does anyone have an opinion about how long my ointment experiment should last?
I am trying to establish and idea of when I should expect some kind of result - or - at what point I quit trying because nothing has been gained from all the money and effort spent.

I initially wanted to try for a seven week cycle that would look like this:

“Option A”

WEEK 1
Mon. - Heavy PE (for inflammation) All Day, Ointment #1 at bed.
Tue. through Sat. - Moderate PE, ADS, Ointment #1 at bed.
Sun. - No PE, No Ointment

WEEK 2 through 6
Mon. - Hardest PE (most Inflammation) in the morning, ADS, Ointment #2 at bed.
Tue. through Sat. - Light ADS only (1-3#) 8 hours minimum, Ointment #2 at bed.
Sun. - No PE, Ointment #2 at bed.

Week 7
Mon. through Sun. - No PE at all. No Ointment at all. Just Total Rest.

This would be one seven week cycle. After six such cycles I would take seven weeks off of PE completely as a deconditioning break.
Do the math, and that comes to 42 weeks of PE between each decon break. That is probably WAY too much. My own log suggests that my gains came early and stayed away when I ramped up my effort slowly over a long period of time.

So…

No gradual or long-term PE process makes sense to me anymore. In fact, if it weren’t for the notches on my ruler and the PubMed articles I’ve read - I would think we’re ALL crazy.

I have spent alot of time recently looking over the last year of my PE efforts looking for reasons why things have stopped for me. What I noticed has lead me to think my “slow-and-steady” approach is what hurt me. Whenever I tried something new, something “radical”, in the following weeks I would notice a growth trend that would taper off with time. Again, I would shake up the routine, and again there would be a slight improvement prior to a plateau.

Reasons for this have been explored at length around here and some of the theories are modestly supported by medical science. I don’t need to know everything, I only want to know just enough to make it work for me.

I do believe that decon breaks are an essential part of the growth process. Having said that, I am not a very patient man and I always cut them too short. What makes sense to me (intuitively) is that I cause some kind of PE-related “damage” to the tissue, and then hold the tissue in a desired position until the repair process is completes itself. Once the body is no longer actively repairing, I let the tissue rest for a while without bio-mechanical stimulus and take a measurement to gauge my progress. Go it? No?

Prepare: (14 DAYS)
For two weeks prior to starting the routine, drink lots of water, focus on getting good rest and load up on your daily vitamins or good healthy foods. I would also suggest taking a protein supplement like Whey. Don’t go crazy, your just living healthy during this short “decon”. Do no PE during this two week period.

Injury: (ONE DAY)
For your crazies, this is when you would let some mean ol’ wasp sting your pecker. ;) For the rest of us, try a marathon clamping session or try doing 1,000 slow jelqs at a time. The idea is to go from relative calm and good health to sudden inflammation. Do NOT do any significant harm! I am just trying to get the inflammation response going. If you get a little swelling or residual heat in the tissues…all the better.

Posturing: (30 DAYS)
For the next month, you wear an ADS at a comfortable tension (between 1 and 3 pounds) for as long as you can stand everyday (I suggest 8 hours minimum). If girth is what you seek, an all day wrap might do the trick. Light PE exercises would be permissible BEFORE the ADS, but do not do them afterward. Get good sleep and drink two liters of water every 24 hours. The idea is to keep the tissue stretched out so that the repair of your “injury” happens in the extended state.

Rest/Prepare: (14 Days)
This is essentially the beginning point for your next round. Bulk up on vitamins and sleep but leave your willie alone. The night before you “Injure” yourself you may want to take good measurements or photos. Every 45 days you start the process over again so you will have measurements taken on that interval.

I plan on starting this in January, but I will use my ointments along with it if I can settle down on a formula.

Any thoughts? Nothing really new, except that the Injury only happens on one day.

Couldn’t you hold off on the ointments until you have given this new routine of yours a decent trial? You mix all that shit up and you are not sure what adds flavor to the soup eh?

Yeah I could…in fact, should. But that’s the problem with me.

I’ll throw your vote in the stack that reads “should do one at a time to see if either works”.

I’m game…but how many cycles constitutes a “decent trial”?

Three?

You will be happy if you do the routine without the drugs to start. That way, you can avoid the ambiguous situation where you don’t know if it is your hellacious concoction of shit that is helping you, or if it is just the routine and your new found motivation (resulting from the hope of success).

2 months of the dedicated routine alone, with careful measuring, then 2 months with the routine plus snake oil. It really should be more like 3 or 4 months of each, but you probably won’t go for that.

I suppose you could start with the pee pee butter first. But then you will stay with it as long as you see gains, and by the time you plateau, switching to the routine alone will not tell you anything.

goonbaby, I’ll try your “Option A”, seems to make alot of sens to me. I’m sort of doing something similar, I hang heavy in the morning and then ADS for the rest of the day. So far it didn’t work for me, it’s been only two weeks, so I can’t tell for sure.

[QUOTE=goonbaby]
Rason, I have no intention of replying to your PM. In addition, I insist that it be your last. You clearly do not know me very well, “bruv”. ;)

No problems mate, I’m interested in what your doing tbo, you want to avoid drugs and the biggest respect to that, not like I’m talking about crack though. If anything your nutritional ointments, could only aid my own independant methods. Anyway I(haha thuner I remembered) won’t hiijack your thread anymore, best of luck and I’ll be following up. This threads gonna proove/disproove if use of supplements is effective in P.e. If it works you might consider marketing it, “Goonbabies Penis Cream”. (Sounded a bit wrong though).
Peace.

Cool.

So, three cycles. Sounds like a fair trial. I’ll do the routine alone to start and the concoctions after. That will give me a little more time to acquire to goop. Some of that stuff is tricky to find!

What about ratios? If you do 6 weeks of consistent and quality PE how much time do you break for decon? This is the REAL kicker for me. I want to wear my ADS for as long as possible after the initial inflammation, but I have noticed that gains slow or stop after about 5-6 weeks. What I am thinking today is 6 weeks “On” and three weeks “Off”. This gives me a 9 week cycle. Three cycles is just over six months! That’s a long time.

I agree that one cycle is not a fair amount of time to ascertain the efficacy of a particular protocol. So three cycles sounds good to me (academically)…but six months is a long time to give a routine that may not even work.

Hmmm.

On the other hand, who cares if it’s the ointments or the regimen? If I see results…I won’t care how they got there. The scientific rigor would be compromised…but I am not interested in marketing anything. I plan on posting the complete formulas as soon as I settle on them anyway.

Perhaps I gain and it isn’t enough to quit PE. Then I might want to know how I got the gains. Ah, nevermind, I see your point.

This thread isn’t ALL about the ointments anyway. It’s about collagen and making it do what I want it to do.

I’ll do the routine, with a new silicone wrap for my ADS. I will be more rigorous about taking measurements and logging the time spent in traction. I will do this in my progress thread. Perhaps I will start January 1st, 2007.
That should give me enough time to think it through. I will rest in the mean time.

Shalom, all.

Hey goonbaby-this is great thread! Did you start your cycle yet? Any comments? :)