Collagen Considered

I have declared war on my phallus. I think some changes are in order and “he” seems to prefer the status quo.

Since most of our tissues are made up of Collagen in one form or another, I have been thinking about way in which to manipulate these tissues to enhance the concepts behind Inflammation, Proliferation, and Remodelling (IPR). IPR? Why not? Everybody else seems to be jumping on the wagon…and there is quite of lot of medical research to fall back on.

ModestoMan is right (big surprise) we still have not nailed down the subtleties of the processes involved with IPR. The timing for each phase is particularly confounding subject.

This purpose of this thread is to muddy the water even further.

In past experimental threads I have considered using Infrared Light to stimulate cell metabolism…I was disappointed by the results of that.

I even considered the use of vibration in weakening the connective tissues. I abandoned the experiment for lack of privacy…but I still think mechanical vibration could contribute to plastic deformation.

Today, I am all about the collagen.

I have a slight bend that I would like to eventually “correct”. I have read alot about Peyronie’s Disease and various treatments. During this search I ran across several medical techniques that are meant to weaken scar tissue (a collagen type) in order to improve elasticity. I read a bunch of Modesto’s Chemical PE thread…FASCINATING stuff to be sure. I am now crazed and more motivated than ever to break the will of my phallus and turn him into Frankenstein’s “friendly” monster.

So, this is what I am thinking I might do…it really is all about mitosis:

*goon begins talking to self as second person*

1) Detox. Quit taking all the vitamins and supplements that might actually be building up your bodies resistance to change. Do not become UN-healthy…just live clean for a while. Drink a LOT of water, it promotes healthy cellular function and mitosis. Consider this a decon break and refrain from PE for six weeks.

2) Use a Collagenase applied topically to penis to soften up connective tissues and loosen skin. Begin an I-Phase of PE work. Set a reasonable length or girth goal to achieve and continue to exercises until it is reached. I have chosen 1/4” on BPFSL. Record the time it takes to reach this goal, that is your new PE quotient…it is a known value = “X”

3) Once goal is reached, stop the heavy PE exercises and switch to ADS or “remodelling work”. Using and ADS as much as possible (minimum of HOURS a day, every day) Stop taking the collagenase and switch to high protein & Vitamin C, also a good Vitamin A supplement should be included. Remember to drink plenty of water. These should encourage the formation of new collagen fibers in the lengthened state. Do this for a time period equal to 1.5 times “X”. We might consider this a cementing phase?

4) Measure frequently during the cementing phase to make sure gains are not being lost. Once the gains have been in place for 1.5 time “X”, then we take a decon break of a period equal to 2 times “X”. During this period we do marginal PE at the most. It is similar to step 1 above…no vitamins, no protein shakes. Spend this time exercising the rest of your body and getting good sleep.

5) At the end of the last Rest period. Record what has happened. Daily measurements taken at the same time every day would be a decent way to track results. Keep a log of circumstances and notes. Was the 1/4 gain kept through the decon? If so, why not tweak the routine to see if time or different exercises could improve the result?

Basically, I am more interested in the chemicals than the IPR protocol at this point.

Collagenase, Relaxin, Verapamil, and some others…Anyone?

Goonbaby, I have to say when I read the first sentence of your post I burst out laughing. But it sounds like you haven’t picked up a hammer as of yet. I have read so many of the “science-based” threads that my eyeballs are bleeding. I just finished reading the smooth muscle theory thread again and I’m getting a massive headache. I think it’s great that guys like you step up and put all the speculation to the test. We can formulate theories all day but unless they are tested we will never know. So if I understand you correctly you are basically using an IPR routine supported with chemicals/supplements. I was thinking adding L-Arginine during your P phase might be helpful with increasing the blood supply. I am interested also in the effects of some of the chemicals you mentioned. Has anyone tried a topical Collagenase? I would be concerned about the effects on my skin. My penis is already starting to look like a Shar-pei. Anyway, wanted to wish you success on this and am looking forward to hearing the outcome.

Regards,

Iguana

Since you have a slight kink, why not ask your GP if he/she will prescribe some Potaba, to help remove the bend.

No need to tell to mention the possible PE benefit to them.

Maybe DMSO? I have been thinking of using some DMSO gel as a lube for light pumping.

Of course you know to look at xeno’s posts but I would also look through Shiver’s if you haven’t done so already. He wrote as much as anyone (I know of) on the potential topical application of various substances for PE.

I know where some of the old information is around here and if there is anything in particular that you are hoping to learn, I will try to help.

I thought I read something about taking aspirin (I think) to prevent full recovery from PE sessions to avoid strengthening (I’m guessing) and further the growth process.

I think that is what the point was. I can’t remember where I saw it, though.

This is no laughing matter my friend. *frowny faced goon bites lip* I just hope the conflict doesn’t go nuclear.

Then you clearly have nothing to fear from me. Ask anyone that posted in my “Age of the Earth” thread…the best I can hope for is the title of “pseudo-scientific” or perhaps “alchemist”. ;)
I am only interested in what actually works, but I don;t mind being unconventional about it. You?

Yeah. I think the concept of regular decon breaks and cyclical application of force makes a lot of sense. I also think that “healthy” chemicals like vitamins and proteins can have a profound effect on biological tissues. I suspect that PE could benefit from a knowledgeable application of these substances…but I do not yet have such knowledge. That is the purpose of this thread. I will research, experiment, research, rack my brain, test, document, and hopefully pontificate…eventually.

Your skin is safe…it’s MY skin we have to worry about. (I swear, some people are so self-absorbed).

Hmm. If you start finding spots on the rug, you should be concerned. I have always wondered about the proper spelling of of the word “Shar-pei”.

Thanks, I appreciate that.
I will do my best, in the little time I have left, to contribute some small sliver of something useful to this Forum for the sake of posterity.
As the unofficial “Agitator”, I have a lot to make up for. ;) *goon crosses fingers behind back*

I am considering that and I have already done a boat load of reading about Potatoes…er..Potash..Potaba.
I think I might even be willing to do intercavernosal injections of verapamil if my “GP” was game and if I could do them myself at mein haus.

DMSO is already on order. I like the potential of that substance as a solvent and carrier as well. I have plans to load it with Vit-E, Vit-A, and some other crazy stuff I will talk about later. If I can’t justify (or stomach) injecting “The Enemy” with these substances…DMSO might be an alternative. Good thinking. I’m with you.

I have read nearly all of Xeno’s but a only a small fraction of Shiver’s. Thanks for the tip, Penismith!
I was actually inspired to start this thread after reading through the sources you provided in you science of PE thread (which is a qualified masterpiece of marketing all by itself). I will take you offer for help seriously - due to the fact that I hold your opinion in such high regard. My first task will be to read up on Shiver’s stuff and then I will post the specifics of what I am considering for your (and others) consideration. Please be as critical as you reasonably can.
I am not interested if having a lot of people agree with me…or get them to try some new protocol or product with my name on it (“Goonbaby’s Dick Fertilizer” comes to mind). I am only interested in getting out of the PE slump I am in - and safely rebuilding my penis to gain another 1.75” of erect length. Whatever happens, I will likely be much older, perhaps a little wiser, and certainly much more endowed than I was when I started. In fact, if I do gain that much on top of what I have already gained…it will put my in a category with Yguy and Bib. So, clearly I am either certifiably insane or impossibly hopeful. I have tried to quit PE, and I can’t, so…why not?

I have tried that already. It is an anti-inflammatory and long-term use of the regular strength aspirin is not recommended by doctors because of the potential for internal bleeding and other bad stuff. I switched to every other day…and then eventually gave up. Thanks for recommendation. I might consider the “preventative” dosage used by heart patients…but ironically it costs three times as the regular strength dosage. After all, marketing is everything.

Goonbaby, what type of DMSO do you have on order?

I ask because I have been applying it to my penis and it just seems to sit on the skin and not absorb too well.

Poor goonbaby..

Stop all theory and start working real hard. Come join my thread ‘best ways of hanging - some ideas’

Collagenase sounds scary.

They use it on burn patients to basically dissolve the dead skin.

I don’t know for how long you’ve been PEing, but you’ll see after a few years, when you can’t break you 3rd or 4th plateau, you’ll see that hard work only goes so far. That’s when you really start to look into theory…

*goon fights the manifestation of an evil grin*
Scary? Yes and no. I will not do anything that will hurt me…so, no plans yet - just lots and lots of research.
I could fill this thread with disclaimers or I could trust that we all understand that we are almost treading the untrodden.

I will say this once. "Do not do stupid things."
And to those of you who are not called Goonbaby…"Do not do stupid things."

What do you think about Relaxin?
http://en.wikip … rg/wiki/Relaxin

"In animals relaxin widens the pubic bone and facilitates labor, it also softens the cervix (cervical ripening), and relaxes the uterine musculature. Thus, for a long time, relaxin was looked at as a pregnancy hormone. However, its significance may reach much further. Relaxin affects collagen metabolism, inhibiting collagen synthesis and enhancing its breakdown by increasing matrix metalloproteinases. It also enhances angiogenesis and is a potent renal vasodilator."

What do you think about Verapamil?
http://en.wikip … /wiki/Verapamil
http://www.pslg … m/dg/1ce5c6.htm

I hate needles; it appears topical compounds work too.

Verapamil is just a calcium channel blocker used for blood pressure control and some other things (like vasospasm). I used to take a similar calcium channel blocker called Diltiazem. I didn’t notice any dick related effects from it. I don’t understand what you would hope to gain by using it. Blood flow? I would think that Cialis would be by far more effective in that regard.

As far as the other drugs, I’m having a vision of the following:

Take your relaxin, rub on collagenase, wrap dick, attach weights, watch dick detach from body. Woops.

No, check out that second link, mravg. The calcium channel blockers like this can breakdown collagen (like scar tissue) for the treatment of Peyronie’s disease. Not as a systemic treatment like your medication, but as a localized treatment using an injectable or topical cream application.

Now, admittedly, I would like to correct my curve…but I am really interested in “softening” up the collagen bonds in the suspensory ligament and tunica. Do you see any reason to continue chasing this…especially if I can create the topical blend myself?

Whoops indeed.

Mravg, where in the world did you find that avatar? I have been meaning to ask you that for weeks.